From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!.POSTED!not-for-mail From: edgar@openmail.cc Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.help Subject: Re: General advice beyond Org Date: Fri, 18 May 2018 08:41:32 +0000 Message-ID: <5869d0fb59fb1052eca11f2cde706ebd@openmail.cc> References: NNTP-Posting-Host: blaine.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: blaine.gmane.org 1526632831 27073 195.159.176.226 (18 May 2018 08:40:31 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@blaine.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 18 May 2018 08:40:31 +0000 (UTC) User-Agent: Roundcube Webmail/1.2.4 To: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Original-X-From: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Fri May 18 10:40:27 2018 Return-path: Envelope-to: geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by blaine.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1fJaw6-0006uj-TD for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Fri, 18 May 2018 10:40:27 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:37412 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1fJayE-0005ix-00 for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Fri, 18 May 2018 04:42:38 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:59009) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1fJaxl-0005id-AS for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Fri, 18 May 2018 04:42:10 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1fJaxi-00084c-3S for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Fri, 18 May 2018 04:42:09 -0400 Original-Received: from onethreetwo.vfemail.net ([199.16.11.132]:31643 helo=vfemail.net) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.0:DHE_RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:32) (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1fJaxh-00082t-Qk for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Fri, 18 May 2018 04:42:06 -0400 Original-Received: (qmail 83663 invoked by uid 89); 18 May 2018 08:42:01 -0000 Original-Received: from localhost (HELO freequeue.vfemail.net) (127.0.0.1) by localhost with (DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA encrypted) SMTP; 18 May 2018 08:42:01 -0000 Original-Received: (qmail 83658 invoked by uid 89); 18 May 2018 08:41:43 -0000 Original-Received: by simscan 1.4.0 ppid: 83656, pid: 83657, t: 0.0021s scanners:none Original-Received: from unknown (HELO smtp102-2.vfemail.net) (172.16.100.62) by FreeQueue with SMTP; 18 May 2018 08:41:43 -0000 Original-Received: (qmail 18203 invoked by uid 89); 18 May 2018 08:41:32 -0000 Original-Received: by simscan 1.4.0 ppid: 18196, pid: 18199, t: 0.0750s scanners:none Original-Received: from unknown (HELO www.vfemail.net) (ZWRnYXJAb3Blbm1haWwuY2M=@172.16.100.93) by 172.16.100.62 with ESMTPA; 18 May 2018 08:41:32 -0000 Original-Received: from o8rm0A3gcrZdOkA3kRnTHll35++9nbs4Y2aVViLsyBM= (V9FhVmkOCCIC8uL3lb1uf1B5tmkWO8mY) by www.vfemail.net with HTTP (HTTP/1.1 POST); Fri, 18 May 2018 03:41:32 -0500 In-Reply-To: X-Sender: edgar@openmail.cc X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: FreeBSD 8.x [fuzzy] X-Received-From: 199.16.11.132 X-BeenThere: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.21 Precedence: list List-Id: Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "help-gnu-emacs" Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.help:116760 Archived-At: > Message: 3 > Date: Thu, 17 May 2018 16:44:39 -1000 > From: Bob Newell > Cc: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org > Subject: Re: [O] General advice beyond Org > > If your evaluation (and you need to do a careful evaluation of the > merits and demerits of both your approach and her approach) is that > it's better to go with what your adviser asks, then you should do so. > No, I wouldn't like it either. But I don't think (unlike RMS, perhaps) > that there are show-stopping moral or ethical issues here. > > If your evaluation truly tells you that your way is best, then you > need to come up with a plan of action, with alternatives. I'd suggest > that a good enough evaluation could possibly sway your adviser. > > Best of luck to you. > Thank you, Bob (I'm sorry for not knowing any Hawaiian other than aloha). I truly believe that my way is best (she likes track changes, but I am almost sure that has never tried Git, subversion, mercurial or anything like that). On the other hand, I really think that she is still not going to like it if I try to persuade her (I think that there was a previous student trying to use LaTeX, for instance, and she really dislikes it for some reason; I don't really know). > ------------------------------ > > Message: 4 > Date: Fri, 18 May 2018 09:32:11 +0200 > From: > To: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org > Subject: Re: [O] General advice beyond Org > Message-ID: <20180518073211.GD4556@tuxteam.de> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; x-action=pgp-signed > > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > Hash: SHA1 > > On Thu, May 17, 2018 at 04:44:39PM -1000, Bob Newell wrote: >> Aloha, >> >> Sometimes you need to pick your battles. > > While I'd tend to agree with Bob that you might have to choose > a "flexible response", bear in mind that your instructor has > already signalled that she's not willing to cater to your > standpoint. Indeed. That is quite clear. > > If you want to change your environment, and you want, because > you'll have to live in it, try to network, to reach out to > others in your position. Being in academia, you'll interact > with many co-researchers in other institutions. Make a habit > of carefully enquiring about their environment. I have only found one user of Emacs so far (in a representative group of ~50), an old-time Professor who uses Wundoe$ (the unoperating system; I hope that you like my jokes :D ). I will keep doing it. > > Cheers & good luck Thanks, I'll need it. > ------------------------------ > > Message: 5 > Date: Thu, 17 May 2018 21:52:29 -0400 > From: "Peter Neilson" > To: emacs-orgmode@gnu.org, help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org, edgar@openmail.cc > Subject: Re: [O] General advice beyond Org > Message-ID: > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed; delsp=yes > > > What is your field? In some areas of research the foremost software > tools > have been developed on a MS platform and there is no escape unless you > go > and develop your own tools. Are you aware of a place where they would allow me to do this? I have no problem with that. > ------------------------------ > > Message: 6 > Date: Fri, 18 May 2018 09:12:42 +0200 (CEST) > From: "S. Champailler" > To: edgar@openmail.cc, emacs-orgmode@gnu.org, help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org > Subject: Re: General advice beyond Org > Message-ID: > <441378060.337754.1526627562985@webmail.appsuite.proximus.be> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 > > Be aware that free software is politcally loaded. It's just not a > matter of having the right or best tools, it' sometimes a question of > ideal, that is something that is *very* hard to negociate about... > Thanks, Stefan. I already sent you an answer. I will wait for the digest next time. > --------------------------------- Thanks to everyone! The count goes like this (so that everyone knows that I am listening, the count is by far the least important): - Yield partially (2) :: You will have to work with proprietary software in some way, but not always. - There is no escape (1) :: You will have to work with proprietary software - Find a different environment (1) :: There is a place, you need to find it. - I know a place (0) :: I know XXX group or XXX person which only uses free software ------------------------------------------------- ONLY AT VFEmail! - Use our Metadata Mitigator to keep your email out of the NSA's hands! $24.95 ONETIME Lifetime accounts with Privacy Features! 15GB disk! No bandwidth quotas! Commercial and Bulk Mail Options!