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[184.56.99.2]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id g11sm3747246iod.41.2016.07.03.07.19.17 (version=TLS1_2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128/128); Sun, 03 Jul 2016 07:19:17 -0700 (PDT) User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:38.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/38.8.0 In-Reply-To: X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.2.x-3.x [generic] X-Received-From: 2607:f8b0:4001:c06::230 X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.21 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:205109 Archived-At: On 07/02/2016 08:05 PM, Richard Stallman wrote: > [[[ To any NSA and FBI agents reading my email: please consider ]]] > [[[ whether defending the US Constitution against all enemies, ]]] > [[[ foreign or domestic, requires you to follow Snowden's example. ]]] > > The issue at hand is how to develop new features so that they extend > Emacs in a clean way that reduces the added difficulty of learning new > features. > > You've explicitly said that you don't care about Emacs. You care only > about Org mode. It appears that you don't want Emacs to be easier for > users to learn. However, that is our goal even if you don't support > it. We will have to disregard your views. We don't need to win you > over. It appears you're not a major Emacs contributor; I don't see > your email address in the log. > I must break the promise I made in my last post. For the record, I want to be clear about one final thing. Please forgive me for making an off-topic post. I love Emacs and I use it to do almost all of my work. I have great appreciation for all the people who make Emacs the superb piece of software that it is. The key Emacs package for me is the amazing Org package. Org is the reason I use Emacs. Finally, I completely support all efforts to make Emacs easier to use and I look forward to the results of those efforts. I know my views don't matter on this list, but I don't want anyone to think I'm opposed to Emacs. No more irrelevant traffic from me will appear on this list. Scott Randby