From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Drew Adams Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.bugs Subject: bug#20183: 24.4.91; No resize handle to adjust width of Emacs windows Date: Thu, 2 Jul 2015 09:49:51 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <5775471c-56b8-4648-b787-6557fd9f327f@default> References: <87d23zwmo0.fsf@moondust.localdomain> <83fv8vqzfi.fsf@gnu.org> <878uenwhwp.fsf@moondust.localdomain> <55953AFC.5080307@gmx.at> <55956382.1020903@gmx.at> NNTP-Posting-Host: plane.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1435855888 10989 80.91.229.3 (2 Jul 2015 16:51:28 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 2 Jul 2015 16:51:28 +0000 (UTC) Cc: 20183@debbugs.gnu.org To: martin rudalics , "N. Jackson" , Eli Zaretskii Original-X-From: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Thu Jul 02 18:51:15 2015 Return-path: Envelope-to: geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by plane.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1ZAhhj-0003mi-B6 for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Thu, 02 Jul 2015 18:51:15 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:37874 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1ZAhhi-0006ga-BE for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Thu, 02 Jul 2015 12:51:14 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:47254) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1ZAhhb-0006gN-9O for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Thu, 02 Jul 2015 12:51:11 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1ZAhhX-0003NT-Ng for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Thu, 02 Jul 2015 12:51:07 -0400 Original-Received: from debbugs.gnu.org ([140.186.70.43]:36446) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1ZAhhX-0003NO-Jk for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Thu, 02 Jul 2015 12:51:03 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-debbugs by debbugs.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1ZAhhW-0008A6-N2 for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Thu, 02 Jul 2015 12:51:02 -0400 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Resent-From: Drew Adams Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Thu, 02 Jul 2015 16:51:02 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 20183 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: Original-Received: via spool by 20183-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B20183.143585580231295 (code B ref 20183); Thu, 02 Jul 2015 16:51:02 +0000 Original-Received: (at 20183) by debbugs.gnu.org; 2 Jul 2015 16:50:02 +0000 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:37892 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1ZAhgX-00088T-20 for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 02 Jul 2015 12:50:02 -0400 Original-Received: from userp1040.oracle.com ([156.151.31.81]:16624) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1ZAhgV-00088G-FE for 20183@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 02 Jul 2015 12:50:00 -0400 Original-Received: from userv0022.oracle.com (userv0022.oracle.com [156.151.31.74]) by userp1040.oracle.com (Sentrion-MTA-4.3.2/Sentrion-MTA-4.3.2) with ESMTP id t62GnqUk006120 (version=TLSv1 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 2 Jul 2015 16:49:52 GMT Original-Received: from userv0122.oracle.com (userv0122.oracle.com [156.151.31.75]) by userv0022.oracle.com (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id t62GnqQ1027981 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 2 Jul 2015 16:49:52 GMT Original-Received: from abhmp0011.oracle.com (abhmp0011.oracle.com [141.146.116.17]) by userv0122.oracle.com (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id t62Gnqnv032275; Thu, 2 Jul 2015 16:49:52 GMT In-Reply-To: <55956382.1020903@gmx.at> X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Oracle Beehive Extensions for Outlook 2.0.1.9 (901082) [OL 12.0.6691.5000 (x86)] X-Source-IP: userv0022.oracle.com [156.151.31.74] X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 3.x X-Received-From: 140.186.70.43 X-BeenThere: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org List-Id: "Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.bugs:104630 Archived-At: > There seems to be a technical problem with this. Pop-up help > disappears here as soon as I move the mouse over it. Oh, right; my bad. Something more than :help-echo is needed for such a feature, no doubt. Perhaps a key binding. Or a key binding that acts only when a tooltip is shown (but that won't help if `tooltip-mode' is turned off). The general idea would be to provide help on Emacs UI components - whatever a user sees and might have questions about. How we might best do that, I don't know. Long ago I wrote a command, `help-on-click/key' that goes in that direction somewhat, but it doesn't handle anything Emacs displays that Lisp cannot perceive or interact with. And I haven't bothered to update it since 1999 (!), so it obviously does not reflect the many UI thingies added since then. You access this command using `C-h RET' or via the Help menu. You are then prompted to "Click mouse on something or type a key sequence". From the doc string: You can do any of the following: type a key sequence (e.g. `C-M-s') choose a menu item (e.g. [menu-bar files open-file]) click on a scroll bar click on the mode line click in the minibuffer click on an Emacs-related name in a buffer: apropos is called click anywhere else in a buffer: its modes are described Help is generally provided using `describe-key' and the Emacs online manual (via `Info-goto-emacs-key-command-node'). If no entry is found in the index of the Emacs manual, then the manual is searched from the beginning for literal occurrences of KEY. If you click on a name in a buffer, then `apropos-documentation' and `apropos' are used to find information on the name. These functions are not used when you do something besides click on a name. If you click elsewhere in a buffer other than the minibuffer, then `describe-mode' is used to describe the buffer's current mode(s).