From: "Clément Pit--Claudel" <clement.pit@gmail.com>
To: emacs-devel@gnu.org
Subject: Re: Beyond release
Date: Mon, 27 Jun 2016 11:52:01 -0400 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <57714BA1.8030506@gmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <8a06c531-eac2-cfd5-eab0-6bf197e8c3e0@online.de>
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On 2016-06-27 11:33, Andreas Röhler wrote:
> On 27.06.2016 16:18, Clément Pit--Claudel wrote:
>> On 2016-06-27 05:58, Andreas Röhler wrote:
>>> To make clear, that's not just a personal view, please consider
>>> the withdraw of advanced and promising theorem prover
>>> Isabelle/HOL, which doesn't longer support Emacs, while relying
>>> on it before. BTW that withdraw was in time, before John took
>>> over and AFAIU caused by a policy, which hopefully is abandoned
>>> now.
>> I think that's an incorrect characterisation (see statements that
>> Makarius made on the Proof General mailing list).
>
> That's where my conclusions are from. Any precise spot to tell
> otherwise?
Yes: Makarius wrote: "While it is technically feasible to connect Proof General to Isabelle/Scala/PIDE in some imitation of the old TTY mode, I personally don't believe that there are serious adherents to Emacs still around to do that."
>> AFAICT, Isabelle moved to jEdit because that's what the authors
>> liked programming in
>
> That's interesting. Maybe that would also worth being reflected. So
> extending in Java should be easier than in Emacs Lisp? How could it
> came to this?
Does Makarius know Emacs Lisp?
>> What elements make you think Emacs policies had anything to do with
>> it?
>
> There are several. Think alone the matter of slowness, mentioned
> again and again in bug-reports and development. AFAIU these slowness
> is caused by bugs and design flaws, not by Emacs Lisp as such. The
> introduction of circular dependencies WRT syntax-ppss probably
> deserves being mentioned in this context. Propertize functions are
> encouraged to call syntax-ppss while syntax-ppss itself propertizes.
Interesting. I don't know about these things, but I never saw them them mentioned (especially the last ones) outside of emacs-devel.
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next prev parent reply other threads:[~2016-06-27 15:52 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 19+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2016-06-27 9:58 Beyond release Andreas Röhler
2016-06-27 14:18 ` Clément Pit--Claudel
2016-06-27 15:33 ` Andreas Röhler
2016-06-27 15:52 ` Clément Pit--Claudel [this message]
2016-06-27 16:10 ` Dmitry Gutov
2016-06-27 16:25 ` Andreas Röhler
2016-06-27 16:55 ` Dmitry Gutov
2016-06-27 18:10 ` Andreas Röhler
2016-06-27 19:55 ` Dmitry Gutov
2016-06-28 6:14 ` Andreas Röhler
2016-06-28 11:13 ` Dmitry Gutov
2016-06-27 20:29 ` Alan Mackenzie
2016-06-28 8:39 ` Andreas Röhler
2016-06-27 16:21 ` Andreas Röhler
2016-06-27 16:40 ` Phillip Lord
2016-06-27 18:00 ` Clément Pit--Claudel
2016-06-27 18:05 ` Clément Pit--Claudel
2016-06-27 20:35 ` Phillip Lord
2016-06-27 15:53 ` Clément Pit--Claudel
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