From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.ciao.gmane.io!not-for-mail From: Jean-Christophe Helary Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: What is the most useful potential feature which Emacs lacks? Date: Sat, 6 Jun 2020 21:05:29 +0900 Message-ID: <575DFA37-17B0-4C14-8827-043CE1EDD039@traduction-libre.org> References: <874krvup4i.fsf@gnu.org> <835zcag76g.fsf@gnu.org> <87ftbenz0p.fsf@gnu.org> <83wo4k8r9s.fsf@gnu.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 13.4 \(3608.80.23.2.2\)) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="ciao.gmane.io:159.69.161.202"; logging-data="42587"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" Cc: bzg@gnu.org, excalamus@tutanota.com, van.ly+2020@sdf.org, rms@gnu.org, emacs-devel@gnu.org To: Eli Zaretskii Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Sat Jun 06 14:06:33 2020 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1jhXaq-000Ay4-GK for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Sat, 06 Jun 2020 14:06:32 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:41108 helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1jhXap-0002IJ-Im for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Sat, 06 Jun 2020 08:06:31 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:33894) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1jhXaC-0001t0-A0 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sat, 06 Jun 2020 08:05:52 -0400 Original-Received: from relay3-d.mail.gandi.net ([217.70.183.195]:50795) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1jhXa8-0004xu-7K; Sat, 06 Jun 2020 08:05:51 -0400 X-Originating-IP: 111.89.103.91 Original-Received: from [10.0.1.13] (pl22363.ag1313.nttpc.ne.jp [111.89.103.91]) (Authenticated sender: jean.christophe.helary@traduction-libre.org) by relay3-d.mail.gandi.net (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 689F160006; Sat, 6 Jun 2020 12:05:33 +0000 (UTC) In-Reply-To: <83wo4k8r9s.fsf@gnu.org> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3608.80.23.2.2) Received-SPF: pass client-ip=217.70.183.195; envelope-from=jean.christophe.helary@traduction-libre.org; helo=relay3-d.mail.gandi.net X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: First seen = 2020/06/06 08:05:43 X-ACL-Warn: Detected OS = Linux 3.11 and newer X-Spam_score_int: -25 X-Spam_score: -2.6 X-Spam_bar: -- X-Spam_report: (-2.6 / 5.0 requ) BAYES_00=-1.9, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-0.7, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H3=0.001, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_WL=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001 autolearn=_AUTOLEARN X-Spam_action: no action X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:251949 Archived-At: > On Jun 6, 2020, at 18:42, Eli Zaretskii wrote: >=20 >> From: Jean-Christophe Helary = >> Date: Tue, 2 Jun 2020 08:50:33 +0900 >> Cc: Eli Zaretskii , >> excalamus@tutanota.com, >> van.ly+2020@sdf.org, >> Richard Stallman , >> emacs-devel@gnu.org >>=20 >>>> What is missing in Emacs to make this possible? >>>=20 >>> I don't know for sure. >>>=20 >>> In the past, I was able to collaborate with a friend using an Emacs >>> extension called "Rudel", which lets two distant buffers communicate >>> with each other over the Gobby protocol. >>>=20 >>> https://www.emacswiki.org/emacs/Rudel indicates that the reference >>> implementation for the Gobby protocol is broken. I have not tried. >>>=20 >>> So perhaps the required work is not on the Emacs side, but on that=20= >>> of the protocol and its implementation. >>=20 >> It looks like SubEthaEdit, the text editor that first provided solid = collaborative editing features on macos is now released under the MIT = license and its communication protocol is documented on emacswiki: >>=20 >> https://www.emacswiki.org/emacs/SubEthaEditProtocol >=20 > What I think is missing is not the description of a specific protocol, > but a higher-level spec of basic capabilities needed for the > collaborative editing support in Emacs. Is this available anywhere? > If not, could someone please write it up? >=20 > For example, one thing that strikes me is why "collaboration" via a > dVCS is not a good solution, or at least the basis of a solution? Am > I missing something? I am totally unable to talk about the technical aspect, but in fact, the = software that I mention in the emacs for translators thread on = help-gnu-emacs (OmegaT) actually uses Git or svn as the "engine" for = collaboration. The files that are shared on the git server are manipulated by all the = collaborators who regularly commit their modifications and when there is = a conflict, the collaborators are asked to resolve it. One collaborator = commits are regularly reflected to the other collaborators so that the = work proceeds with only a small lag between updates. But I think what collaborative editing users have in mind is closer to = an etherpad than to what OmegaT does. --=20 Jean-Christophe Helary @brandelune http://mac4translators.blogspot.com