From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: =?UTF-8?Q?Andreas_R=c3=b6hler?= Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: A vision for multiple major modes: some design notes Date: Mon, 25 Apr 2016 08:49:57 +0200 Message-ID: <571DBE15.7010400@online.de> References: <20160420194450.GA3457@acm.fritz.box> <8360vb6o7u.fsf@gnu.org> <20160421221943.GE1775@acm.fritz.box> <83a8km58qz.fsf@gnu.org> <20160422223507.GD1873@acm.fritz.box> <83d1pg6aes.fsf@gnu.org> <20160423170207.GB4624@acm.fritz.box> <83shyc42k6.fsf@gnu.org> <20160423210807.GE4624@acm.fritz.box> <83oa8z4izd.fsf@gnu.org> <20160424165721.GC3517@acm.fritz.box> <83a8ki4w20.fsf@gnu.org> NNTP-Posting-Host: plane.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1461566868 17277 80.91.229.3 (25 Apr 2016 06:47:48 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 25 Apr 2016 06:47:48 +0000 (UTC) Cc: Alan Mackenzie , Eli Zaretskii To: emacs-devel@gnu.org Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Mon Apr 25 08:47:39 2016 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by plane.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1auaJ1-0001RH-7U for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Mon, 25 Apr 2016 08:47:39 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:57852 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1auaJ0-0002rc-Lz for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Mon, 25 Apr 2016 02:47:38 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:48180) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1auaIl-0002pK-QZ for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 25 Apr 2016 02:47:24 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1auaIk-0003cT-WD for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 25 Apr 2016 02:47:23 -0400 Original-Received: from mout.kundenserver.de ([212.227.126.133]:60059) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1auaIh-0003bv-1y; Mon, 25 Apr 2016 02:47:19 -0400 Original-Received: from [192.168.178.35] ([77.12.36.217]) by mrelayeu.kundenserver.de (mreue003) with ESMTPSA (Nemesis) id 0MKuxg-1auaIf0mkS-0001Ny; Mon, 25 Apr 2016 08:47:17 +0200 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux i686; rv:38.0) Gecko/20100101 Icedove/38.5.0 In-Reply-To: <83a8ki4w20.fsf@gnu.org> X-Provags-ID: V03:K0:XE9c4fb2s5RxuncW5+mcUsEseJpf3v7cp0fIUB+Cbw6MH/nhMOn BH14bYLuKeMsDkckezkHcDkRBMGwxUvavPZ3EzzpuV1JU34y7zOJxHEqO1hKpOoizlDBNU9 XjxRX5EXdVT9b/E0NkII3KI/UsWli+Xj8IQGSDEGZ8/g6f5PH42Ie8/UwsLtINwoCYsAC93 77U7hyNu4GdACwq4SYETA== X-UI-Out-Filterresults: notjunk:1;V01:K0:hIPZAKn2rao=:3w2vt1fPxMgPbw+MXRoxY5 lyr2MY57+i+t+wCmIpfz9kjTo0n7r9RCbNALCtoCO9CSPju7r+pxy7b2wqJMq6/DwdPZWvywX cMJoatdrUxT23dMzS252OrdxwJ5opSy6pP7D8zwjZI3pvS+WMoR6xfx6gaNo3KRObHiA8qbhx SSnJcvaSnmfsX51iPKkGF68Pk9U2jKYizIRiMUvgxJL3h8ColtUsDwH6fqOrG+kAQVJLKs3uO mvYP+UA7mRgvV4kNjaG/XDaCLeG9IDEhIGXSAF1bOeos5GZJODNryqRgdUe0IsV/CLjVQdXjt sHTO+DCzCxtXHOzHZBk7ZussRkwxPuHgr+tHEF7fwbJAXOimzlV8G99WxYuTWeZTUL2cTOPzn fD2LQcGVo7U3g2RSbzMi0SKh92LzvMhTPxaT5NEpRimHoniGzHSKgipAG7nPoCxVpAuYbRq4Y T9h+qMiTBAqF9hBbxZ4dghNqiaERyleS/ZdXPHbCjX0YO6SvL64wjRCE+iBuqiP2oMBfxsXOb A8LL0TWnc205W9Ttf9+/s8sBhBVUtUD/xyJ8VTIwWjGliuUmogqGiwqwhtlr//YJ/w43fd9nP lQLZyLk7Bfd5jRLdes7seaGc6xb5ltxoDYgdmgc+2q995ZgzVX4yfBu9GLvrSaIG2PTZrvUto PoORq5oWQ1Mef6kR+ZDxOh+arZUmhgKv0Hs73VasnPa63GxkXzUS+K1Xa6XEHlaKA3sHc/3v4 vS8inj9//ic6twg/ X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.2.x-3.x [generic] X-Received-From: 212.227.126.133 X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.21 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:203285 Archived-At: On 24.04.2016 21:59, Eli Zaretskii wrote: > [ ... ] >> I tend to approach it from the other direction: is that handling of an >> island as whitespace a satisfactory abstraction or not? > It's not an abstraction at all. It's a trick, a device to make > adaptation to the island-world easier. That text between two islands > of the same chain should be invisible for the mode that's active in > the chain -- that is an abstraction. But no one says that text must > be treated as whitespace -- this is simply a convenient means to reach > your ends. However, other means towards the same end might be > available, onces that don't overload [:space:] with an entirely alien > meaning. > Sounds bug-sourcing. Hard to tell which conflicts might show up, but there is some probability. [ ... ]