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From: Davis Herring <herring@lanl.gov>
To: Drew Adams <drew.adams@oracle.com>, Eli Zaretskii <eliz@gnu.org>,
	Paul Pogonyshev <pogonyshev@gmail.com>
Cc: emacs-devel@gnu.org
Subject: Re: Arbitrary function: find the number(s) of expected arguments
Date: Mon, 18 Apr 2016 12:43:54 -0600	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <57152AEA.10006@lanl.gov> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <cbe885f2-7820-40d6-9622-f13b2343e8b5@default>

[I'm back from vacation; a few already-old threads caught my eye.]

> Any existing code that depends on an error being raised by
> `subr-arity' would break.  E.g.,
>
> (condition-case err
>      (subr-arity 'foo)
>    (error (do-something)))

This issue is that of undefined behavior: is (subr-arity 0) UB or is it 
defined to be an error?  The doc string says simply "SUBR must be a 
built-in function." which is language typical of UB in some contexts, 
but Emacs doesn't explicitly have that notion to my knowledge.

If it's UB, then your example is wrong already and its breakage is 
irrelevant.  If the error is a defined part of the interface, then yes 
the change is incompatible.  All kinds of interfaces are thoroughly 
defined only for a subset of cases, and it's as much as anything a 
cultural issue whether the (historical) implementation's behavior 
outside that set is sacrosanct or not.

Davis

-- 
This product is sold by volume, not by mass.  If it appears too dense or 
too sparse, it is because mass-energy conversion has occurred during 
shipping.



  reply	other threads:[~2016-04-18 18:43 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 60+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2016-03-15 18:48 Arbitrary function: find the number(s) of expected arguments Paul Pogonyshev
2016-03-15 22:45 ` Davis Herring
2016-03-16  7:41   ` Paul Pogonyshev
2016-03-19 12:26     ` Paul Pogonyshev
2016-03-19 13:10       ` Eli Zaretskii
2016-03-19 13:42         ` Paul Pogonyshev
2016-03-19 13:54         ` Michael Heerdegen
2016-03-19 14:08           ` Eli Zaretskii
2016-03-19 15:20             ` Michael Heerdegen
2016-03-19 15:43               ` Eli Zaretskii
2016-03-19 15:57                 ` Michael Heerdegen
2016-03-19 16:24                   ` Eli Zaretskii
2016-03-19 17:43                     ` Michael Heerdegen
2016-03-19 17:50                       ` Eli Zaretskii
2016-03-19 17:59                         ` Michael Heerdegen
2016-03-19 18:14                           ` Eli Zaretskii
2016-03-19 16:14                 ` Philipp Stephani
2016-03-19 16:27                   ` Michael Heerdegen
2016-03-19 16:27                   ` Eli Zaretskii
2016-03-19 16:30                     ` Philipp Stephani
2016-03-19 16:32                       ` Eli Zaretskii
2016-03-19 16:34                         ` Philipp Stephani
2016-03-19 16:46                           ` Philipp Stephani
2016-03-19 16:47                           ` Eli Zaretskii
2016-03-19 17:16                             ` Philipp Stephani
2016-03-19 17:48                               ` Eli Zaretskii
2016-03-19 17:49                                 ` Philipp Stephani
2016-03-19 18:11                                   ` Eli Zaretskii
2016-03-19 18:35                                     ` Michael Heerdegen
2016-04-18 23:02                 ` Davis Herring
2016-03-19 19:52         ` Stefan Monnier
2016-03-19 20:33           ` Eli Zaretskii
2016-03-19 22:43             ` Stefan Monnier
2016-03-26 15:55           ` Elias Mårtenson
2016-03-26 17:20             ` Stefan Monnier
2016-03-19 14:26       ` Philipp Stephani
2016-03-19 16:51         ` Paul Pogonyshev
2016-03-19 18:09           ` Eli Zaretskii
2016-03-19 19:32             ` Michael Heerdegen
2016-03-19 19:39               ` Eli Zaretskii
2016-03-19 20:59                 ` Michael Heerdegen
2016-03-21 18:36             ` Paul Pogonyshev
2016-03-25  8:44               ` Eli Zaretskii
2016-03-25 16:16                 ` Paul Pogonyshev
2016-03-25 16:35                   ` Drew Adams
2016-03-25 17:16                     ` Paul Pogonyshev
2016-03-25 18:19                       ` Drew Adams
2016-03-25 18:28                         ` Clément Pit--Claudel
2016-03-25 18:51                           ` Use plain-text for mail [was: Arbitrary function: find the number(s) of expected arguments] Drew Adams
2016-03-25 18:57                             ` Use plain-text for mail [ Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen
2016-03-25 19:49                               ` Andreas Schwab
2016-03-26  1:12                             ` Use plain-text for mail [was: Arbitrary function: find the number(s) of expected arguments] Yuri Khan
2016-03-25 17:39                     ` Arbitrary function: find the number(s) of expected arguments Eli Zaretskii
2016-03-25 18:31                       ` Drew Adams
2016-03-26  8:27                   ` Eli Zaretskii
2016-03-26 11:42                     ` Paul Pogonyshev
2016-04-02  9:48                       ` Eli Zaretskii
     [not found]           ` <<83y49e731p.fsf@gnu.org>
2016-03-19 19:21             ` Drew Adams
2016-04-18 18:43               ` Davis Herring [this message]
2016-03-16  3:47 ` Stefan Monnier

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