From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Drew Adams Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.bugs Subject: bug#21472: 25.0.50; REGRESSION: (emacs) `Coding Systems' uses curly quotes for Lisp strings Date: Tue, 15 Sep 2015 16:48:18 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <56d0b58e-2848-497e-aa64-e6f11dbe6421@default> References: <55F83FDF.2070202@cs.ucla.edu> <831tdz8yf8.fsf@gnu.org> <55F845B1.5060104@cs.ucla.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: plane.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1442360966 19419 80.91.229.3 (15 Sep 2015 23:49:26 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 15 Sep 2015 23:49:26 +0000 (UTC) Cc: 21472@debbugs.gnu.org To: Paul Eggert , Eli Zaretskii Original-X-From: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Wed Sep 16 01:49:12 2015 Return-path: Envelope-to: geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by plane.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1ZbzyJ-0007vY-Nq for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Wed, 16 Sep 2015 01:49:11 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:46430 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1ZbzyI-0003c9-QI for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Tue, 15 Sep 2015 19:49:10 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:55849) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1ZbzyD-0003a2-BC for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Tue, 15 Sep 2015 19:49:06 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1ZbzyA-0000GD-4t for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Tue, 15 Sep 2015 19:49:05 -0400 Original-Received: from debbugs.gnu.org ([208.118.235.43]:41490) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1ZbzyA-0000G5-17 for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Tue, 15 Sep 2015 19:49:02 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-debbugs by debbugs.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1Zbzy9-0007Gl-KA for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Tue, 15 Sep 2015 19:49:01 -0400 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Resent-From: Drew Adams Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Tue, 15 Sep 2015 23:49:01 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 21472 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: Original-Received: via spool by 21472-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B21472.144236090427862 (code B ref 21472); Tue, 15 Sep 2015 23:49:01 +0000 Original-Received: (at 21472) by debbugs.gnu.org; 15 Sep 2015 23:48:24 +0000 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:33691 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1ZbzxX-0007FJ-Vn for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 15 Sep 2015 19:48:24 -0400 Original-Received: from aserp1040.oracle.com ([141.146.126.69]:37906) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1ZbzxV-0007FB-Sv for 21472@debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 15 Sep 2015 19:48:22 -0400 Original-Received: from aserv0022.oracle.com (aserv0022.oracle.com [141.146.126.234]) by aserp1040.oracle.com (Sentrion-MTA-4.3.2/Sentrion-MTA-4.3.2) with ESMTP id t8FNmKeX027888 (version=TLSv1 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 15 Sep 2015 23:48:20 GMT Original-Received: from userv0121.oracle.com (userv0121.oracle.com [156.151.31.72]) by aserv0022.oracle.com (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id t8FNmKMx004354 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 15 Sep 2015 23:48:20 GMT Original-Received: from abhmp0003.oracle.com (abhmp0003.oracle.com [141.146.116.9]) by userv0121.oracle.com (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id t8FNmJOe011725; Tue, 15 Sep 2015 23:48:19 GMT In-Reply-To: <55F845B1.5060104@cs.ucla.edu> X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Oracle Beehive Extensions for Outlook 2.0.1.9 (901082) [OL 12.0.6691.5000 (x86)] X-Source-IP: aserv0022.oracle.com [141.146.126.234] X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 3.x X-Received-From: 208.118.235.43 X-BeenThere: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org List-Id: "Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.bugs:106613 Archived-At: > > If this means that we should avoid quoting text just because Drew > > doesn't like a certain type of quotes >=20 > No, it doesn't mean that. There are still thousands of places in the > manual that still quote text using `` and '', so the corresponding info f= iles > still quote =E2=80=9Clike this=E2=80=9D with curved double quotes in thou= sands of places. The > particular place Drew objected to was confusing, though, and it's one of > the hundreds of places where I toned down the quoting. The manuals were = using > quotes too often, and this was independent of the issue of what quoting > characters to use on display. And Drew already explicitly corrected the Eli's "misunderstanding" (and attacks) about this bug report, by making it perfectly clear that _this_ report is _NOT_ about curly quotes in general and is only about their particular use _HERE_, for these particular terms. And part of this bug is the question of why these terms are downcased. Downcasing them and then quoting them seems wrong to me. So I asked why this was done. Still haven't gotten an answer. Lots of heat, but no light, so far.