From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Angelo Graziosi Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Visit New File menu item Date: Mon, 14 Mar 2016 00:37:42 +0100 Message-ID: <56E5F9C6.40305@alice.it> NNTP-Posting-Host: plane.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-15; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1457912281 13387 80.91.229.3 (13 Mar 2016 23:38:01 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 13 Mar 2016 23:38:01 +0000 (UTC) To: Emacs developers Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Mon Mar 14 00:37:53 2016 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by plane.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1afFa4-00012f-LD for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Mon, 14 Mar 2016 00:37:52 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:38146 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1afFa3-0005q9-Un for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Sun, 13 Mar 2016 19:37:51 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:49503) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1afFa1-0005py-4L for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 13 Mar 2016 19:37:49 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1afFZx-0007Ff-UX for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 13 Mar 2016 19:37:49 -0400 Original-Received: from smtp204.alice.it ([82.57.200.100]:63102) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1afFZx-0007Ez-KQ for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 13 Mar 2016 19:37:45 -0400 Original-Received: from [192.168.1.101] (95.247.135.77) by smtp204.alice.it (8.6.060.43) (authenticated as angelo.graziosi@alice.it) id 5697BA0B0A4376A0 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 14 Mar 2016 00:37:42 +0100 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:38.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/38.6.0 X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: Genre and OS details not recognized. X-Received-From: 82.57.200.100 X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:201655 Archived-At: Eli Zaretskii wrote: > Also, such changes should be discussed more thoroughly, waiting for > interested parties to chime in. E.g., one problem with "New File" is > that we don't actually enforce the "new" part -- you can visit an > existing file via that menu item. Not sure how important this nit is, > but OTOH that single word "Visit" is also hardly so very important > that we should rush making the change overnight. Well said! My opinion is that "New File" is wrong if linked to the sequence "C-x C-f". Usually, I use "C-x C-f" both for loading ("visiting") an existing file in Emacs both to create a new file (not existing!). Notice that other applications which have "New File" mean really a *new* (i.e. creating) file. Usually they have "C-N" for "New File" and "C-O" for "Open File". So using "New File" in Emacs seems misleading, unless you use a different key sequence for New/Open File. Really I would remove the "Open File" item and would leave "Visit File" (without New), with the obvious key sequence "C-x C-f". Why don't you like "Visit"? Why you want to follow others giving up the original tradition of Emacs? Anyway this is only my opinion. Ciao, Angelo.