From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Paul Eggert Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Should we restore manually maintained ChangeLogs Date: Thu, 10 Mar 2016 08:41:38 -0800 Organization: UCLA Computer Science Department Message-ID: <56E1A3C2.4070508@cs.ucla.edu> References: <56BE7E37.3090708@cs.ucla.edu> <4hd1rw1ubr.fsf@fencepost.gnu.org> <83vb50wxhv.fsf@gnu.org> <87y49vz4cg.fsf@acer.localhost.com> <87vb4zb0i4.fsf@gnu.org> <837fheuu6a.fsf@gnu.org> <83twkiteb3.fsf@gnu.org> <83lh5utbxb.fsf@gnu.org> <56DDD02A.20809@cs.ucla.edu> <83fuw2t2ue.fsf@gnu.org> <56DE0F6A.6010207@cs.ucla.edu> <83pov5rmt6.fsf@gnu.org> <56DFD78F.40205@cs.ucla.edu> <56E06093.7050509@cs.ucla.edu> <83twkfo7ij.fsf@gnu.org> <56E071AB.8050008@cs.ucla.edu> <83io0vo43x.fsf@gnu.org> <56E078DB.1020809@cs.ucla.edu> <83d1r3o248.fsf@gnu.org> <56E0CEBC.80804@cs.ucla.edu> <83lh5qn7oq.fsf@gnu.org> NNTP-Posting-Host: plane.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1457628136 4486 80.91.229.3 (10 Mar 2016 16:42:16 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 10 Mar 2016 16:42:16 +0000 (UTC) Cc: monnier@iro.umontreal.ca, emacs-devel@gnu.org To: Eli Zaretskii Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Thu Mar 10 17:42:06 2016 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by plane.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1ae3f3-00077v-Qn for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Thu, 10 Mar 2016 17:42:05 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:49561 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1ae3f2-0001oM-UF for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Thu, 10 Mar 2016 11:42:04 -0500 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:33473) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1ae3ej-0001hk-Db for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 10 Mar 2016 11:41:49 -0500 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1ae3ei-0003Nu-I4 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 10 Mar 2016 11:41:45 -0500 Original-Received: from zimbra.cs.ucla.edu ([131.179.128.68]:44730) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1ae3ef-0003NJ-6H; Thu, 10 Mar 2016 11:41:41 -0500 Original-Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zimbra.cs.ucla.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id E8129160504; Thu, 10 Mar 2016 08:41:39 -0800 (PST) Original-Received: from zimbra.cs.ucla.edu ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (zimbra.cs.ucla.edu [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10032) with ESMTP id zUXVS0-Sy9Hx; Thu, 10 Mar 2016 08:41:39 -0800 (PST) Original-Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zimbra.cs.ucla.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3CB96160E72; Thu, 10 Mar 2016 08:41:39 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at zimbra.cs.ucla.edu Original-Received: from zimbra.cs.ucla.edu ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (zimbra.cs.ucla.edu [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10026) with ESMTP id I_1OMxFAdXHu; Thu, 10 Mar 2016 08:41:39 -0800 (PST) Original-Received: from penguin.cs.ucla.edu (Penguin.CS.UCLA.EDU [131.179.64.200]) by zimbra.cs.ucla.edu (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 1ED7A160504; Thu, 10 Mar 2016 08:41:39 -0800 (PST) User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:38.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/38.6.0 In-Reply-To: <83lh5qn7oq.fsf@gnu.org> X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 3.x X-Received-From: 131.179.128.68 X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:201402 Archived-At: On 03/09/2016 10:55 PM, Eli Zaretskii wrote: > Your opinion on this needs to be taken with a grain of salt, since you > never tried to install git-merge-changelog. Without it, I agree with > you that ChangeLog merge conflicts are very irritating. But that's > exactly why git-merge-changelog was written. This doesn't address the point that the old system had real problems even when I wasn't doing merges (which is my normal mode of operation). And Dmitry reported problems even when using git-merge-changelog. > It's not low-priority work when I need an accurate accord of what > happened. Then it's very high priority for me. When I want an accurate record of what happened, I want to see what was actually committed, warts and all. If people start using git-replace to change old commit messages, I'll probably start using --no-replace-objects to see what the original commit looked like. I realize your style differs. Still, it's not clear that it's worth inflicting significant pain on other developers in order to support that style.