From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Paul Eggert Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Is it time to drop ChangeLogs? Date: Wed, 9 Mar 2016 15:39:25 -0800 Organization: UCLA Computer Science Department Message-ID: <56E0B42D.4060509@cs.ucla.edu> References: <83vb50wxhv.fsf@gnu.org> <87y49vz4cg.fsf@acer.localhost.com> <64a52598-ad53-498c-993c-67d7827dbdfc@default> <838u1uuuau.fsf@gnu.org> <878u1um2xl.fsf@thinkpad.rath.org> <87fuw090k7.fsf@wanadoo.es> <83y49spuxt.fsf@gnu.org> <87pov4achc.fsf@acer.localhost.com> <83r3fkpb3u.fsf@gnu.org> <83lh5rps0t.fsf@gnu.org> <56E066BD.5050403@cs.ucla.edu> <87lh5rv7kk.fsf@red-bean.com> <83pov3o62y.fsf@gnu.org> <87bn6nv3yw.fsf@red-bean.com> <838u1ro10g.fsf@gnu.org> NNTP-Posting-Host: plane.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1457566813 24335 80.91.229.3 (9 Mar 2016 23:40:13 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 9 Mar 2016 23:40:13 +0000 (UTC) Cc: johnw@gnu.org, emacs-devel@gnu.org To: Eli Zaretskii , Karl Fogel Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Thu Mar 10 00:40:02 2016 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by plane.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1adnhp-0000zU-Pe for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Thu, 10 Mar 2016 00:39:53 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:45109 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1adnhp-00009n-1O for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Wed, 09 Mar 2016 18:39:53 -0500 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:46361) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1adnha-000063-O3 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 09 Mar 2016 18:39:39 -0500 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1adnhZ-0007vp-LZ for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 09 Mar 2016 18:39:38 -0500 Original-Received: from zimbra.cs.ucla.edu ([131.179.128.68]:36236) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1adnhV-0007tB-Li; Wed, 09 Mar 2016 18:39:33 -0500 Original-Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zimbra.cs.ucla.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id E982B160F6E; Wed, 9 Mar 2016 15:39:30 -0800 (PST) Original-Received: from zimbra.cs.ucla.edu ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (zimbra.cs.ucla.edu [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10032) with ESMTP id 6P-YuCMFNXwu; Wed, 9 Mar 2016 15:39:25 -0800 (PST) Original-Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zimbra.cs.ucla.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id AA03D160F70; Wed, 9 Mar 2016 15:39:25 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at zimbra.cs.ucla.edu Original-Received: from zimbra.cs.ucla.edu ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (zimbra.cs.ucla.edu [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10026) with ESMTP id zGUM4rq9-nWq; Wed, 9 Mar 2016 15:39:25 -0800 (PST) Original-Received: from penguin.cs.ucla.edu (Penguin.CS.UCLA.EDU [131.179.64.200]) by zimbra.cs.ucla.edu (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 8D238160F6E; Wed, 9 Mar 2016 15:39:25 -0800 (PST) User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:38.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/38.6.0 In-Reply-To: <838u1ro10g.fsf@gnu.org> X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 3.x X-Received-From: 131.179.128.68 X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:201339 Archived-At: On 03/09/2016 12:21 PM, Eli Zaretskii wrote: > it's fortress -- if you dismantle one of its bastions, the others > will soon fall as well. It's not a fortress, as is demonstrated in other GNU projects. For example, here are the last three commit messages for coreutils, which has been using the proposed approach since 2008. These commit messages are just as good as what we typically see for Emacs. Maybe better. I'm sure we can improve the quality of Emacs commit messages, but putting them into ChangeLog files is not necessary or even all that helpful for doing so. commit e735d417fb2e5c7427b3622f2a78e65e450b49a8 Author: Eric Blake Date: Tue Mar 8 16:01:34 2016 -0700 build: update gnulib submodule to latest Mainly for: *bdb72bc6 set-permissions: fix compilation on Cygwin * bootstrap: Sync with gnulib. * gl/lib/regcomp.c.diff: Regenerate against latest gnulib. commit 68ede201e8890b757aa37d72ce4dca872155f7db Author: Jim Meyering Date: Sun Mar 6 16:38:01 2016 -0800 tests: avoid false-failure of split/filter.sh on XFS * tests/split/filter.sh: Use OFF_T_MAX-1 rather than OFF_T_MAX as the size of a test file, to avoid false failure on an XFS file system (or any file system permitting a file of size OFF_T_MAX). Reported as http://bugs.gnu.org/22931 commit 6475c514550bc1fbdb3410485312211726765798 Author: Eric Blake Date: Fri Mar 4 09:47:33 2016 -0700 test: Document that -a and -o are undesirable POSIX recommends avoiding -a and -o, for good reason. src/test.c (usage): Mention that inherent ambiguities exist with binary -a and -o. Problem reported by Martin Gebert in: http://bugs.gnu.org/22909