From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Paul Eggert Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Should we restore manually maintained ChangeLogs Date: Tue, 8 Mar 2016 17:08:39 -0800 Organization: UCLA Computer Science Department Message-ID: <56DF7797.4060802@cs.ucla.edu> References: <56BE7E37.3090708@cs.ucla.edu> <4hd1rw1ubr.fsf@fencepost.gnu.org> <83vb50wxhv.fsf@gnu.org> <87y49vz4cg.fsf@acer.localhost.com> <87vb4zb0i4.fsf@gnu.org> <837fheuu6a.fsf@gnu.org> <83twkiteb3.fsf@gnu.org> <83lh5utbxb.fsf@gnu.org> <56DDD02A.20809@cs.ucla.edu> <83fuw2t2ue.fsf@gnu.org> <1ceba0e3-b8a7-393d-ce41-213aee11b7f8@yandex.ru> <83si01rn0y.fsf@gnu.org> <56DEFEFC.3010404@cs.ucla.edu> <83r3fkrjcp.fsf@gnu.org> NNTP-Posting-Host: plane.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1457485763 2896 80.91.229.3 (9 Mar 2016 01:09:23 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 9 Mar 2016 01:09:23 +0000 (UTC) Cc: emacs-devel@gnu.org To: Eli Zaretskii Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Wed Mar 09 02:09:05 2016 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by plane.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1adSca-0000NE-6d for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Wed, 09 Mar 2016 02:09:04 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:38341 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1adScZ-0003fN-JU for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Tue, 08 Mar 2016 20:09:03 -0500 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:38296) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1adScM-0003f1-7S for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 08 Mar 2016 20:08:51 -0500 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1adScL-0000jb-61 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 08 Mar 2016 20:08:50 -0500 Original-Received: from zimbra.cs.ucla.edu ([131.179.128.68]:37989) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1adScF-0000iK-Ec; Tue, 08 Mar 2016 20:08:43 -0500 Original-Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zimbra.cs.ucla.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7B40C160E88; Tue, 8 Mar 2016 17:08:40 -0800 (PST) Original-Received: from zimbra.cs.ucla.edu ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (zimbra.cs.ucla.edu [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10032) with ESMTP id pkwMTBKwZVHB; Tue, 8 Mar 2016 17:08:39 -0800 (PST) Original-Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zimbra.cs.ucla.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id C14C2160E8C; Tue, 8 Mar 2016 17:08:39 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at zimbra.cs.ucla.edu Original-Received: from zimbra.cs.ucla.edu ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (zimbra.cs.ucla.edu [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10026) with ESMTP id EYGGxWEIxECE; Tue, 8 Mar 2016 17:08:39 -0800 (PST) Original-Received: from penguin.cs.ucla.edu (Penguin.CS.UCLA.EDU [131.179.64.200]) by zimbra.cs.ucla.edu (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id A60C6160E88; Tue, 8 Mar 2016 17:08:39 -0800 (PST) User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:38.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/38.6.0 In-Reply-To: <83r3fkrjcp.fsf@gnu.org> X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 3.x X-Received-From: 131.179.128.68 X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:201226 Archived-At: On 03/08/2016 09:05 AM, Eli Zaretskii wrote: > By giving up on the need to fix them, we > inadvertently send a very loud and clear message to the newcomers > saying that good, correct, and accurate log messages are not > important. We also send that message by giving up on the need to write good commit messages in the first place. If we were to tell newcomers something like "Thanks, that was a nice patch, and could you please add a commit message following the guidelines so that we can install it for you?" then they will figure things out. But if we instead keep installing such patches as-is and maybe fixing the commit messages ourselves later, we are in effect telling contributors not to bother writing good commit messages.