From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: "Drew Adams" Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: RE: please make line-move-visual nil Date: Mon, 25 May 2009 10:51:23 -0700 Message-ID: <56DF3F5FED9445EAB0C666DE0904BAC2@us.oracle.com> References: <23521879.post@talk.nabble.com><7b501d5c0905131659r1d79ec56s5a59f76e4713edf9@mail.gmail.com><23532135.post@talk.nabble.com> <87tz3odq3l.fsf@iki.fi><23538683.post@talk.nabble.com> <87eiuru24b.fsf@iki.fi><39370.130.55.118.19.1242397867.squirrel@webmail.lanl.gov><48914.130.55.118.19.1242592120.squirrel@webmail.lanl.gov><66C6BA04EBCF4B6DAED69E851627D852@us.oracle.com><54A5E41E3FD446F590AA580D90C5B518@us.oracle.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1243273954 11945 80.91.229.12 (25 May 2009 17:52:34 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 25 May 2009 17:52:34 +0000 (UTC) Cc: emacs-devel@gnu.org To: "'Stefan Monnier'" Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Mon May 25 19:52:27 2009 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.50) id 1M8eLa-0004kE-Dg for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Mon, 25 May 2009 19:52:26 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:51116 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1M8eLZ-0005KK-UB for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Mon, 25 May 2009 13:52:25 -0400 Original-Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1M8eKR-0004pS-FL for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 25 May 2009 13:51:15 -0400 Original-Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1M8eKM-0004np-Jj for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 25 May 2009 13:51:15 -0400 Original-Received: from [199.232.76.173] (port=34438 helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1M8eKM-0004nf-E4 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 25 May 2009 13:51:10 -0400 Original-Received: from acsinet12.oracle.com ([141.146.126.234]:49524) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS-1.0:DHE_RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:32) (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1M8eKL-0005ge-U4 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 25 May 2009 13:51:10 -0400 Original-Received: from rgminet15.oracle.com (rcsinet15.oracle.com [148.87.113.117]) by acsinet12.oracle.com (Switch-3.3.1/Switch-3.3.1) with ESMTP id n4PHoorJ027041 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 25 May 2009 17:50:51 GMT Original-Received: from abhmt006.oracle.com (abhmt006.oracle.com [141.146.116.15]) by rgminet15.oracle.com (Switch-3.3.1/Switch-3.3.1) with ESMTP id n4PHp8Kc010488; Mon, 25 May 2009 17:51:08 GMT Original-Received: from dradamslap1 (/98.210.250.59) by default (Oracle Beehive Gateway v4.0) with ESMTP ; Mon, 25 May 2009 10:51:04 -0700 X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 In-Reply-To: Thread-Index: AcndPNp668hDzJhaRmqxQguY/Lsm6wAI/L1w X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 X-Source-IP: abhmt006.oracle.com [141.146.116.15] X-Auth-Type: Internal IP X-CT-RefId: str=0001.0A010208.4A1ADA88.01CA:SCFSTAT5015188,ss=1,fgs=0 X-detected-operating-system: by monty-python.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.6 (newer, 1) X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:111085 Archived-At: > > What is wrong with the proposal that the default be different, > > depending on the type of buffer? That seems quite sensible. > > "Two" things: > 1 - it's far from clear which modes should use which default. Whoa! If that's far from clear, then it's even farther from clear that _all_ modes should always have non-nil as the default. Talk about sophistry! > 2 - there is very little evidence that someone might want different > behavior in different buffers. Evidence: I'm someone who might want different behavior in different buffers. There is even less evidence that _everyone_ wants non-nil in _all_ buffers. This is about choosing reasonable _default_ behavior. > 3 - Drew would come back screaming if (setq line-move-visual nil) only > fixes that new brain-dead behavior in some modes but not all. It's irrelevant whether Drew comes back screaming. Forget the ad hominem appeals to the gallery and get back to reasoned argument.