From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Paul Eggert Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.bugs Subject: bug#21998: Is it time to drop ChangeLogs? (Was: bug#21998: Run 'make change-history' on release branch) Date: Sun, 6 Mar 2016 14:34:12 -0800 Organization: UCLA Computer Science Department Message-ID: <56DCB064.9060206__10704.1455958553$1457303721$gmane$org@cs.ucla.edu> References: <56BE7E37.3090708@cs.ucla.edu> <4hd1rw1ubr.fsf@fencepost.gnu.org> <83vb50wxhv.fsf@gnu.org> <87y49vz4cg.fsf@acer.localhost.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: plane.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1457303721 6313 80.91.229.3 (6 Mar 2016 22:35:21 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 6 Mar 2016 22:35:21 +0000 (UTC) Cc: 21998@debbugs.gnu.org To: Emacs developers Original-X-From: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Sun Mar 06 23:35:10 2016 Return-path: Envelope-to: geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by plane.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1achGX-0007S6-Kf for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Sun, 06 Mar 2016 23:35:09 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:52384 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1achGX-0006MK-5P for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Sun, 06 Mar 2016 17:35:09 -0500 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:37657) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1achGU-0006Lj-2q for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sun, 06 Mar 2016 17:35:06 -0500 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1achGQ-0007OJ-2i for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sun, 06 Mar 2016 17:35:06 -0500 Original-Received: from debbugs.gnu.org ([208.118.235.43]:39955) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1achGP-0007OC-W8 for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sun, 06 Mar 2016 17:35:02 -0500 Original-Received: from Debian-debbugs by debbugs.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.84) (envelope-from ) id 1achGP-0003S8-Os for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sun, 06 Mar 2016 17:35:01 -0500 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Resent-From: Paul Eggert Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Sun, 06 Mar 2016 22:35:01 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 21998 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: Original-Received: via spool by 21998-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B21998.145730366213224 (code B ref 21998); Sun, 06 Mar 2016 22:35:01 +0000 Original-Received: (at 21998) by debbugs.gnu.org; 6 Mar 2016 22:34:22 +0000 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:37082 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84) (envelope-from ) id 1achFm-0003RE-Kb for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 06 Mar 2016 17:34:22 -0500 Original-Received: from zimbra.cs.ucla.edu ([131.179.128.68]:43823) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84) (envelope-from ) id 1achFk-0003R1-Fd for 21998@debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 06 Mar 2016 17:34:20 -0500 Original-Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zimbra.cs.ucla.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id E4C0A160E82; Sun, 6 Mar 2016 14:34:13 -0800 (PST) Original-Received: from zimbra.cs.ucla.edu ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (zimbra.cs.ucla.edu [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10032) with ESMTP id KOnloY6N1JVZ; Sun, 6 Mar 2016 14:34:13 -0800 (PST) Original-Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zimbra.cs.ucla.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 281FB160E83; Sun, 6 Mar 2016 14:34:13 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at zimbra.cs.ucla.edu Original-Received: from zimbra.cs.ucla.edu ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (zimbra.cs.ucla.edu [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10026) with ESMTP id E5eTxBY2ATxv; Sun, 6 Mar 2016 14:34:13 -0800 (PST) Original-Received: from [192.168.1.9] (pool-100-32-155-148.lsanca.fios.verizon.net [100.32.155.148]) by zimbra.cs.ucla.edu (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 08DAB160E82; Sun, 6 Mar 2016 14:34:13 -0800 (PST) User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:38.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/38.5.1 In-Reply-To: X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.2.x-3.x [generic] X-Received-From: 208.118.235.43 X-BeenThere: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org List-Id: "Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.bugs:114517 Archived-At: John Wiegley wrote: > What do you all think about ChangeLogs, and their value > to you in your work on Emacs? I regularly do the equivalent of: grep PATTERN $(git ls-files | grep -v ChangeLog) That is, in searches I typically ignore ChangeLog* files because of their less-useful chatter. I'd be happy if we stopped maintaining these files in the master branch (we should keep them for emacs-25). I'd be happy if we removed the existing ChangeLog* files from the master branch. Even if we remove ChangeLogs, we should still have guidelines for commit message format, as saying "anything goes" would make it harder to read the output of 'git log'. I don't mind using ChangeLog format in commit messages, as it's a well-understood format and switching to some other format could well be more trouble than it's worth.