From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Paul Eggert Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: [PATCH] Make display-time-mode time zone configurable Date: Thu, 3 Mar 2016 16:24:57 -0800 Organization: UCLA Computer Science Department Message-ID: <56D8D5D9.1020007@cs.ucla.edu> References: <87fuwt8wek.fsf@udel.edu> <56C2A950.3080102@cs.ucla.edu> <20160219023723.GB15748@holos> <56C6A0CC.1080007@cs.ucla.edu> <20160219171437.GA9456@holos> <56C758C6.90702@cs.ucla.edu> <20160222004556.GA5187@holos> <56CA9C2D.50504@cs.ucla.edu> <20160303003904.GA6892@holos> NNTP-Posting-Host: plane.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1457051127 15347 80.91.229.3 (4 Mar 2016 00:25:27 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 4 Mar 2016 00:25:27 +0000 (UTC) To: emacs-devel@gnu.org Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Fri Mar 04 01:25:19 2016 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by plane.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1abdYU-000665-EI for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Fri, 04 Mar 2016 01:25:18 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:38046 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1abdYT-0001jO-NB for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Thu, 03 Mar 2016 19:25:17 -0500 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:56997) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1abdYF-0001j4-E1 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 03 Mar 2016 19:25:04 -0500 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1abdYC-0006ms-5X for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 03 Mar 2016 19:25:03 -0500 Original-Received: from zimbra.cs.ucla.edu ([131.179.128.68]:51914) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1abdYB-0006lu-VC for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 03 Mar 2016 19:25:00 -0500 Original-Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zimbra.cs.ucla.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 739F31601A7 for ; Thu, 3 Mar 2016 16:24:58 -0800 (PST) Original-Received: from zimbra.cs.ucla.edu ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (zimbra.cs.ucla.edu [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10032) with ESMTP id uZVW7wKofAwi for ; Thu, 3 Mar 2016 16:24:57 -0800 (PST) Original-Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zimbra.cs.ucla.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id C09F4160779 for ; Thu, 3 Mar 2016 16:24:57 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at zimbra.cs.ucla.edu Original-Received: from zimbra.cs.ucla.edu ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (zimbra.cs.ucla.edu [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10026) with ESMTP id vYgJKxoJ5xN9 for ; Thu, 3 Mar 2016 16:24:57 -0800 (PST) Original-Received: from penguin.cs.ucla.edu (Penguin.CS.UCLA.EDU [131.179.64.200]) by zimbra.cs.ucla.edu (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id A9DD61601A7 for ; Thu, 3 Mar 2016 16:24:57 -0800 (PST) User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:38.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/38.6.0 In-Reply-To: <20160303003904.GA6892@holos> X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 3.x X-Received-From: 131.179.128.68 X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:200899 Archived-At: On 03/02/2016 04:39 PM, Mark Oteiza wrote: > >> I'm afraid we're starting to go in circles. I'm curious about why one >> would want to change just the mode-line's time zone, and you're >> responding that it's because one would want to change just the >> mode-line's time zone. :-) > You are repeatedly responding to the use case with the non-solution of > setting the time zone globally in Emacs. Yes, we are indeed going around in circles. The problem is that I haven't seen a real use case yet. We already have a solution for an expert who for some reason needs a mode line in a different time zone from the Emacs default. As I understand it, you're asking to complicate Emacs by adding a feature to make it easier to configure Emacs to have this unusual behavior, so that a non-expert can more easily arrange for Emacs mode lines to be in the "wrong" time zone. My problem is that I don't understand why a non-expert would want to do that. And without understanding the actual need, it's hard to see why the proposed feature's benefits would be worth its costs.