From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Ken Brown Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: On language-dependent defaults for character-folding Date: Wed, 17 Feb 2016 17:58:45 -0500 Message-ID: <56C4FB25.9070203@cornell.edu> References: <87mvr9wxqz.fsf@wanadoo.es> <87io1xwq1e.fsf@wanadoo.es> <87vb5wvzfz.fsf@mail.linkov.net> <87io1wt4cc.fsf@wanadoo.es> <8737syoima.fsf@mail.linkov.net> <871t8iu277.fsf@wanadoo.es> <87y4apfpr6.fsf@mail.linkov.net> <87wpq9qwia.fsf@wanadoo.es> <87k2m7qse0.fsf@wanadoo.es> <878u2mqhnl.fsf@wanadoo.es> <878u2jpy0t.fsf@fastmail.fm> <834md7wdtg.fsf@gnu.org> <8737srw18s.fsf@fastmail.fm> <837fi3um8b.fsf@gnu.org> NNTP-Posting-Host: plane.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1455749853 15491 80.91.229.3 (17 Feb 2016 22:57:33 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 17 Feb 2016 22:57:33 +0000 (UTC) Cc: ofv@wanadoo.es, per.starback@gmail.com, rms@gnu.org, emacs-devel@gnu.org To: Eli Zaretskii , Joost Kremers Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Wed Feb 17 23:57:24 2016 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by plane.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1aWB2B-0007zN-Ea for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Wed, 17 Feb 2016 23:57:23 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:34273 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1aWB2A-0002mx-VF for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Wed, 17 Feb 2016 17:57:22 -0500 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:59984) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1aWB23-0002lx-Ds for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 17 Feb 2016 17:57:20 -0500 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1aWB1x-0004xZ-RX for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 17 Feb 2016 17:57:15 -0500 Original-Received: from limerock02.mail.cornell.edu ([128.84.13.242]:59121) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1aWB1x-0004wh-NP; Wed, 17 Feb 2016 17:57:09 -0500 X-CornellRouted: This message has been Routed already. Original-Received: from authusersmtp.mail.cornell.edu (granite3.serverfarm.cornell.edu [10.16.197.8]) by limerock02.mail.cornell.edu (8.14.4/8.14.4_cu) with ESMTP id u1HMuxDY003597; Wed, 17 Feb 2016 17:56:59 -0500 Original-Received: from [192.168.1.7] (cpe-67-249-176-138.twcny.res.rr.com [67.249.176.138]) (authenticated bits=0) by authusersmtp.mail.cornell.edu (8.14.4/8.12.10) with ESMTP id u1HMuvF3027896 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES128-SHA bits=128 verify=NOT); Wed, 17 Feb 2016 17:56:58 -0500 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 10.0; WOW64; rv:38.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/38.6.0 In-Reply-To: <837fi3um8b.fsf@gnu.org> X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.6.x X-Received-From: 128.84.13.242 X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:200099 Archived-At: On 2/17/2016 3:15 PM, Eli Zaretskii wrote: >> From: Joost Kremers >> Cc: ofv@wanadoo.es, per.starback@gmail.com, rms@gnu.org, emacs-devel@gnu.org >> Date: Wed, 17 Feb 2016 21:06:11 +0100 >> >>> Actually, my counts indicate that more people want it on by default >>> than off. >> >> Then put me down for an "off". :-) > > Done. I wrote earlier with positive feedback about character folding, but I didn't express an opinion about what the default should be. I'm now ready to cast my vote for having it on by default. My reason is that I think many users are likely to find character folding useful, but they are unlikely to discover that it exists if it is not on by default. I have read the claims that character folding in its present form will be viewed as a bug by speakers of certain languages. But I think the possible benefits to others outweigh the possible harm done to those who initially think it's a bug. Ken