From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: =?UTF-8?Q?Cl=c3=a9ment_Pit--Claudel?= Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Character folding in the pretest Date: Wed, 3 Feb 2016 11:46:57 -0500 Message-ID: <56B22F01.2050808@gmail.com> References: <56B1B3A1.2050605@cs.ucla.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: plane.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="Nw6eXFv2Jo1krGKq31OAir0D4Eq9irH92" X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1454518060 24684 80.91.229.3 (3 Feb 2016 16:47:40 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 3 Feb 2016 16:47:40 +0000 (UTC) To: emacs-devel@gnu.org Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Wed Feb 03 17:47:28 2016 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by plane.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1aR0aV-0006XQ-3m for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Wed, 03 Feb 2016 17:47:27 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:36218 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1aR0aU-0007sk-KK for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Wed, 03 Feb 2016 11:47:26 -0500 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:56448) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1aR0aC-0007sd-DM for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 03 Feb 2016 11:47:09 -0500 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1aR0a7-00030l-EC for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 03 Feb 2016 11:47:08 -0500 Original-Received: from mout.kundenserver.de ([212.227.126.135]:58614) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1aR0a7-000309-4p for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 03 Feb 2016 11:47:03 -0500 Original-Received: from [18.189.87.242] ([18.189.87.242]) by mrelayeu.kundenserver.de (mreue005) with ESMTPSA (Nemesis) id 0M6RLT-1a79Be49mt-00yQ4F for ; Wed, 03 Feb 2016 17:47:02 +0100 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:38.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/38.5.1 In-Reply-To: X-Provags-ID: V03:K0:3x96ZqoS4q+JW8rUYs/orsoX3/6n8IX+dhLn4O6ps9vwqOYVHuo 1sfONI0VL2dhnbeeCltrm14utOq1Tcvu6Ri3Udgh/yGEOeWWA9kGUkKPamuZWrl5r1Fa1UW yJzR7znE74wCRq/svQf0vIhN+PRdxUfs3yG71udSaO4wmkzofNgX0e2OGBfzUEZifJ29X8T art0byRumLTDkTaStV6jQ== X-UI-Out-Filterresults: notjunk:1;V01:K0:QirxS0mf/pI=:TbOF4Wxlm2dQUhGlfXZS6D covmUMtUL30TkPo5rzvoqF0vArFgAEDOV/Hj+Sl6QDRRN6e/9astiaV2vRoLNq7OyDnBsx6Jj sX/f3Dv0/yas1djAZhxnTnNftpnW1njUu/rxGxUXjztni5HFNNSesrFaWQD0NVPGvlDf+EV1n T/77RXIsRs0kMTpcuDWKQIO/DnvNihL80aPvSglPhwMmOE1x7+FeUm2wymmOtrWbobX/ssVc+ QLhqtpreFZEU0zKVGRgvHDBYU/BejGCMlzNHvXL0ppwaD8ixvT3EuVqPrdlMii/gJr5epZUk8 9b8RL1S+/AEKOhhVzoTsKjY+KEYj4/lsEoDirrY5EBERyxNsv0leg1dIiNJX5+gXUd5prF1mO 6aAA8Dj4Bl+HizA8ofxwkINZOYWsmA+NJQJWVoIzI71Kqqp0JJ0JlBXx3hSRmjJAIVVdpswvJ v1vB6Nsx3E/I/axUTOP454TqOgvvGZip+SSsjXSmYX/IRY918muP+d9fK9PGY7tLLrwwCKcXS viNhpNHchMqwQu94EtF8vvZpmRDUQTu4ZLN+cb5ioDwKkdpRPn888cU3MTJRhr2FXPedJN31u 8NbYwlzqrozt3FKONpK1W5SDyXZHDOJSXL8dLyJT6w6Jg8P79k+/oapuIUuxqqyUq9A2ISaf0 WsE3dyapWD7PwcIO1xrj5Cvc9mS8Kmy5pVnSvoHQD/n4QfudNPCmJJyaxOgvMnR99E0o= X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.2.x-3.x [generic] X-Received-From: 212.227.126.135 X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:199248 Archived-At: This is an OpenPGP/MIME signed message (RFC 4880 and 3156) --Nw6eXFv2Jo1krGKq31OAir0D4Eq9irH92 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On 02/03/2016 11:24 AM, Drew Adams wrote: > Thinking first about defaults or DWIM is wrong, IMO. We > should think first about how users can change the behavior, > including on the fly. I don't agree. This leads to Emacs being painful to use without large amo= unts of customization. Do many Emacs devs use an empty or almost empty .e= macs? Customizability is a strength, but the popularity of pre-packaged Emacs c= onfigurations (prelude, Emacs starter kit, Graphene, and countless .emacs= =2Ed repositories) says something about good defaults. Cl=C3=A9ment. --Nw6eXFv2Jo1krGKq31OAir0D4Eq9irH92 Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc" Content-Description: OpenPGP digital signature Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="signature.asc" -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.22 (GNU/Linux) iQIcBAEBAgAGBQJWsi8EAAoJEPqg+cTm90wjWYYP/1TXRWoWE0W4HgV7cEGGvUak 5bZbGUPqfLdQYIl0SqIaCfKRHwpAJUMntWo371S7Zjx0jJ0e+ZoJVaJBc1r1wFa/ 8f0c5WUputaDFMqoSfgfssBb16hUgJJumHBtGP4GB37BVtkZED5pgDEKlXhBXLm1 uR8qo8DljZMh3tiNsNNIhzf3VITdl7z1auUDGA6y/mZVLkpRMeQm1UfFeXRmZ6jb uOLgl+NqEXGStmlrYqXzamyEJ2pFu+rZIN+kibJahoUiXmt7lXAfycd/W0J49QkN z5ScqGWOItZIxePUJI0r7Vqka+xIoPs04Ziz7jb2P+uN/KxTb2wbI29/OBT5ZKGb NGjLHnJ9r+6gTmXEZy6IRc6xBAXYztKOULbymyXTnnmj9/ApfuRZsFPkOnpr/B3B 8pJwlkOBS8zJX/JjKqZ0Xc86UyMVxr0XS7fndm8Y3LM7LNaOKqKzQcbdRV2CckXM uz+UG/8ASSOuRjRPGqFzDeudIdsxr/SXCh04SML309qSnvNErpxer3MLTpihc5vk 1SAtYH+L9u/R+HFlKekhopbHxjprQCeAv9h//9ayc2uh2L+JMgK+pf6QVLumyasU 0nOoyvOokaTLRr9cc+UBOSQh9+pi9Hcojy0WrlSLj8EKZE3lixLHkjHlZRg4mDHu z7pRTDJ1GsdRNAnT3P8W =3VRE -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --Nw6eXFv2Jo1krGKq31OAir0D4Eq9irH92--