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From: Daniel Colascione <dancol@dancol.org>
To: Eli Zaretskii <eliz@gnu.org>,
	monnier@iro.umontreal.ca, emacs-devel@gnu.org
Subject: Re: Next release from master
Date: Mon, 18 Jan 2016 13:31:51 -0800	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <569D59C7.8030602@dancol.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <m2oacisia7.fsf@newartisans.com>

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On 01/18/2016 01:13 PM, John Wiegley wrote:
>>>>>> Eli Zaretskii <eliz@gnu.org> writes:
> 
>>> master should become emacs-26 at some point in the future, once it's ready,
>>> while emacs-25 should only continue to improve and stabilize the 25.x
>>> series.
> 
>> Are you changing your mind? ;-) You told me something different in
>> http://lists.gnu.org/archive/html/emacs-devel/2015-11/msg01372.html.
> 
> Yes, I suppose I am.
> 
> 'master' should be a place where people can commit API-breaking changes once
> they are ready for general consumption; otherwise, such changes would have to
> live in feature branches for a very long time, and we'd have little ability to
> test them in combination.
> 
> However, changes of that magnitude shouldn't happen between 25.1 and 25.2;
> that's not what a minor release means to me. When things really start
> changing, we should think of them as going into the next major release.
> 
> Therefore, the emacs-25 branch will stabilize over time until there's nothing
> more to do there. Although many will abandon the branch altogether in favor of
> master at some point, there might still be some who wish to fix bugs there and
> call for a point release.
> 
> I imagine this will lead to more frequent major releases, and fewer point
> releases, but that really depends on what we're doing. The more bug work we
> do, the more point releases; the more feature work, the more major releases.
> 
> I'm not sure that I'm calling for anything radically different than what has
> happened before, though.  Are you saying that in the past, what is now master
> would become 25.2? What then of features that are destined for 26 and not
> future versions of 25.x?
> 
>> You seem to be talking about something that never happened before in Emacs:
>> we never left any branch "for maintenance", we left it for good. Once the
>> decision was made that the next release will be from master, the branch was
>> abandoned, and never revisited except in emergency (e.g., if some
>> super-critical bug was reported in the last release that required an urgent
>> fix).
> 
> Yes, I may be talking about something that never happened before in Emacs, but
> it's been valuable on other projects, so I thought we might try it here as
> well.
> 
> That said, if a shift to master means no one ever fixes another bug on
> emacs-25, then there will be effectively no change; but the branch can still
> hang around for a while, and be available for point releases if necessary.
> 

I'd be happy with switching to a less-like release scheme and
incrementing a single number. Do minor releases even make sense anymore?


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  reply	other threads:[~2016-01-18 21:31 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 120+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2016-01-12  7:09 emacs-25 merge pushed, please confirm John Wiegley
2016-01-12 11:12 ` Alex Bennée
2016-01-12 16:19   ` John Wiegley
2016-01-17 23:04 ` Next release from master Stefan Monnier
2016-01-17 23:10   ` John Wiegley
2016-01-18  9:06     ` Michael Albinus
2016-01-18 15:55       ` Eli Zaretskii
2016-01-18 20:06         ` Michael Albinus
2016-01-18 20:25           ` Eli Zaretskii
2016-01-18 15:55     ` Eli Zaretskii
2016-01-18 21:13       ` John Wiegley
2016-01-18 21:31         ` Daniel Colascione [this message]
2016-01-18 21:43           ` John Wiegley
2016-01-18 21:45             ` Daniel Colascione
2016-01-18 21:51               ` John Wiegley
2016-01-18 22:15                 ` Stefan Monnier
2016-01-18 22:18                   ` John Wiegley
2016-01-19  3:36               ` Eli Zaretskii
2016-01-18 15:54   ` Eli Zaretskii
2016-01-21 17:35   ` Glenn Morris
2016-01-21 17:58     ` Eli Zaretskii
2016-02-04 17:39       ` Glenn Morris
2016-02-04 20:31         ` John Wiegley
2016-02-08 13:41           ` Stefan Monnier
2016-02-08 15:54             ` John Wiegley
2016-02-08 16:47               ` Dmitry Gutov
2016-02-09 14:55                 ` John Wiegley
2016-02-09 15:15                   ` Dmitry Gutov
2016-02-09 14:57               ` Stefan Monnier
2016-02-09 22:38                 ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2016-02-09 23:42                   ` Rasmus
2016-02-10  0:09                     ` Kaushal Modi
2016-02-10  0:38                       ` Óscar Fuentes
2016-02-10  2:04                         ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2016-02-10  2:42                           ` Óscar Fuentes
2016-02-10  3:00                             ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2016-02-10  3:43                               ` Óscar Fuentes
2016-02-10  4:01                                 ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2016-02-10  3:28                             ` Alexis
2016-02-10  3:33                               ` Dmitry Gutov
2016-02-10  4:02                                 ` Óscar Fuentes
2016-02-10  4:13                                   ` Dmitry Gutov
2016-02-10  4:51                                     ` Alexis
2016-02-10  5:28                                       ` Dmitry Gutov
2016-02-10 18:10                                         ` Eli Zaretskii
2016-02-10  4:58                                     ` Óscar Fuentes
2016-02-10  5:07                                       ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2016-02-10  5:16                                         ` Dmitry Gutov
2016-02-10 18:09                                           ` Eli Zaretskii
2016-02-10 18:09                                         ` Eli Zaretskii
2016-02-10  5:08                                       ` Alexis
2016-02-10  5:10                                       ` Dmitry Gutov
2016-02-10 18:08                                       ` Eli Zaretskii
2016-02-10 18:03                                     ` Eli Zaretskii
2016-02-10  4:04                                 ` Alexis
2016-02-10  4:23                                   ` Dmitry Gutov
2016-02-10 18:07                                     ` Eli Zaretskii
2016-02-10 17:58                                 ` Eli Zaretskii
2016-02-11 17:21                                   ` Paul Eggert
2016-02-11 18:11                                     ` John Wiegley
2016-02-10 17:56                               ` Eli Zaretskii
2016-02-11  3:35                             ` Daniel Colascione
2016-02-11  3:55                               ` Óscar Fuentes
2016-02-11 15:24                                 ` John Wiegley
2016-02-11 16:07                                   ` Mark Oteiza
2016-02-11 16:20                                   ` Óscar Fuentes
2016-02-11 16:59                                   ` Teemu Likonen
2016-02-11 19:33                                   ` Daniel Colascione
2016-02-10  2:34                         ` Kaushal Modi
2016-02-10  3:24                           ` Óscar Fuentes
2016-02-10 21:46                         ` Rasmus
2016-02-10 16:40                   ` John Wiegley
2016-02-10 17:18                     ` Dmitry Gutov
2016-02-10 16:41                 ` John Wiegley
2016-02-10 17:07                   ` Dmitry Gutov
2016-02-10 18:06                   ` Óscar Fuentes
2016-02-11  3:47                     ` Daniel Colascione
2016-01-22  1:01     ` John Wiegley
2016-01-22  1:28       ` Dmitry Gutov
2016-01-22  1:42         ` Paul Eggert
2016-01-22  3:50           ` Xue Fuqiao
2016-01-22  1:46         ` John Wiegley
2016-01-22  1:48           ` Dmitry Gutov
2016-01-22  1:56             ` John Wiegley
2016-01-22  7:32               ` Eli Zaretskii
2016-01-22  7:38                 ` John Wiegley
2016-01-22 14:59                   ` Barry Fishman
2016-01-22 17:45                     ` John Wiegley
2016-01-22 21:27                       ` Barry Fishman
2016-01-23  1:47                         ` John Wiegley
2016-01-25 10:38                           ` Alex Bennée
2016-01-25 15:56                             ` Eli Zaretskii
2016-01-23  5:17                         ` Stefan Monnier
2016-01-23 17:09                           ` Barry Fishman
2016-01-23 20:06                             ` John Wiegley
2016-01-24  4:26                               ` Stefan Monnier
2016-01-24 14:11                                 ` Eli Zaretskii
2016-01-24 18:04                                   ` Stefan Monnier
2016-01-24 18:35                                     ` Eli Zaretskii
2016-01-25  2:20                                       ` Stefan Monnier
2016-01-22  7:26           ` Eli Zaretskii
2016-01-22  8:10             ` Michael Albinus
2016-01-22  8:25               ` Eli Zaretskii
2016-01-22  8:58                 ` Nicolas Petton
2016-01-22  9:02                   ` Michael Albinus
2016-01-22 17:42                     ` John Wiegley
2016-01-22 19:02                       ` Michael Albinus
2016-01-22 19:16                         ` Alan Mackenzie
2016-01-22 21:22                           ` Eli Zaretskii
2016-01-22  7:11       ` Eli Zaretskii
2016-01-23  5:25       ` Stefan Monnier
  -- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
2016-02-11 16:28 Angelo Graziosi
2016-02-11 17:09 ` John Wiegley
2016-02-11 17:26   ` Paul Eggert
2016-02-11 17:27   ` Angelo Graziosi
2016-02-11 21:08     ` Eli Zaretskii
2016-02-11 21:04   ` Eli Zaretskii
2016-02-11 19:36 ` Stefan Monnier
2016-02-11 19:40   ` John Wiegley
2016-02-12 12:34   ` Richard Stallman

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