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From: "Clément Pit--Claudel" <clement.pit@gmail.com>
To: emacs-devel@gnu.org
Subject: Re: Making `interactive' conditional
Date: Sun, 10 Jan 2016 05:09:32 -0500	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <56922DDC.1080702@gmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <m3lh7xst6o.fsf@gnus.org>

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On 01/10/2016 04:02 AM, Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen wrote:
> John Wiegley <jwiegley@gmail.com> writes:
> 
>> Right now, functions are interactive if declared with `interactive', and not
>> otherwise. The suggestion at hand is to allow `interactive' forms to become
>> conditional -- possibly in multiple ways. I like this concept, and think the
>> right place for it is indeed in core.
>>
>> The question is how to declare such conditionality. We can do this rather
>> easily by accepting new keyword arguments to `interactive':
>>
>>     (interactive "sDirectory: " [:mode foo-mode] [:when <function>])
> 
> That does sound kinda exciting.  To take a random example, `M-x
> delete-matching-lines' could have a :when of `buffer-writable-p' and not
> auto-complete when in a read-only buffer.  Etc.

I think this is converging to what Stefan pointed earlier (which I found very convincing/exciting): in its most basic form, this proposal could supersede a lot of ad-hoc checking that many many commands do (by calling `barf-if-buffer-read-only', for example).

Similarly, there are many commands that are marked interactive because they are bound to keys in certain contexts, but make no sense (and will just immediately error out if called from M-x) otherwise. I find it reasonable to think that if a command is just going to exit in error as soon as I call it I probably don't want it to feature prominently among M-x completions.

Cheers,
CLément.


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  reply	other threads:[~2016-01-10 10:09 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 141+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2015-12-25  6:21 4K Bugs Lars Ingebrigtsen
2015-12-25  7:46 ` Eli Zaretskii
2015-12-25 17:00 ` John Wiegley
2015-12-25 17:30   ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2015-12-25 17:51     ` John Wiegley
2015-12-25 17:53       ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2015-12-25 17:59         ` John Wiegley
2015-12-25 18:27           ` jpff
2015-12-25 18:35             ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2015-12-25 18:33           ` Dmitry Gutov
2015-12-25 18:40             ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2015-12-25 18:54               ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2015-12-25 19:46                 ` Dmitry Gutov
2015-12-25 20:06                   ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2015-12-25 19:36               ` John Wiegley
2015-12-25 19:56               ` Dmitry Gutov
2015-12-25 20:05                 ` Eli Zaretskii
2015-12-25 20:26                 ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2015-12-26 13:16           ` Michael Albinus
2015-12-26  8:07   ` Andreas Röhler
2015-12-26 10:29     ` Eli Zaretskii
2015-12-26 15:14       ` Andreas Röhler
2015-12-26 16:34         ` Eli Zaretskii
2015-12-26 16:41           ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2015-12-26 16:52             ` Eli Zaretskii
2015-12-26 16:59               ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2015-12-26 17:55                 ` Ivan Shmakov
2015-12-26 17:58                   ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2015-12-26 18:12                     ` Ivan Shmakov
2015-12-26 18:21                       ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2015-12-26 18:42                         ` Ivan Shmakov
2015-12-26 18:48                           ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2015-12-27 22:41               ` Per Starbäck
2015-12-28  9:44                 ` Andreas Röhler
2015-12-28 20:18               ` John Wiegley
2015-12-26 16:59             ` Paul Eggert
2015-12-26 17:48               ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2015-12-28 20:15                 ` John Wiegley
2015-12-26 14:55     ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2015-12-27  2:52       ` Richard Stallman
2015-12-27  6:07         ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2016-01-07 20:10 ` Phillip Lord
2016-01-07 22:38   ` Phillip Lord
2016-01-09  4:26     ` Andrew Hyatt
2016-01-09  9:20       ` Michael Albinus
2016-01-07 23:32   ` John Wiegley
2016-01-08  0:17   ` Xue Fuqiao
2016-01-08 12:49     ` Phillip Lord
2016-01-08  1:41   ` Alexis
2016-01-08  1:50     ` Richard Copley
2016-01-08  2:41       ` Alexis
2016-01-09  1:51         ` John Wiegley
2016-01-08 12:48     ` Phillip Lord
2016-01-08 13:06     ` Michael Albinus
2016-01-08 13:59       ` Phillip Lord
2016-01-08 14:12         ` Michael Albinus
2016-01-09  2:52       ` Alexis
2016-01-10 15:58         ` Michael Albinus
2016-01-11  8:05           ` Alexis
2016-01-08  8:28   ` Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen
2016-01-08 12:57     ` Phillip Lord
2016-01-08 13:37       ` Michael Albinus
2016-01-08 13:52       ` Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen
2016-01-11 13:52         ` Phillip Lord
2016-01-11 16:18           ` Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen
2016-01-08 15:05     ` Stefan Monnier
2016-01-08 23:16     ` Leaving out non-applicable commands on Mx (was: 4K Bugs) Óscar Fuentes
2016-01-09  0:22       ` Leaving out non-applicable commands on Mx John Wiegley
2016-01-09  0:55         ` Óscar Fuentes
2016-01-09  1:46           ` John Wiegley
2016-01-09  1:54             ` Spencer Boucher
2016-01-09  3:09               ` Drew Adams
2016-01-09  3:37                 ` Óscar Fuentes
2016-01-09  2:15             ` Óscar Fuentes
2016-01-09  3:09               ` Drew Adams
2016-01-09  3:49                 ` Óscar Fuentes
2016-01-09  4:14               ` Stefan Monnier
2016-01-09  3:09             ` Drew Adams
2016-01-09  3:08           ` Drew Adams
2016-01-09  3:33             ` Óscar Fuentes
2016-01-09  9:05             ` Yuri Khan
2016-01-09 19:27               ` Drew Adams
2016-01-09 20:55               ` Making `interactive' conditional (was: Leaving out non-applicable commands on Mx) John Wiegley
2016-01-09 21:53                 ` Drew Adams
2016-01-11 12:02                   ` Drew Adams
2016-01-10  9:02                 ` Making `interactive' conditional Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen
2016-01-10 10:09                   ` Clément Pit--Claudel [this message]
2016-01-10 17:55                     ` Drew Adams
     [not found]                   ` <CAAdUY-Kfm-0JbOLpi4KE5wkmp6hfG+-y3V-_vTExaFkmF5RmEg@mail.gmail.com>
2016-01-10 12:36                     ` Artur Malabarba
2016-01-11  3:46                   ` Richard Stallman
2016-01-11 15:13                     ` Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen
2016-01-11  6:13                   ` Stefan Monnier
2016-01-11  6:48                     ` Óscar Fuentes
2016-01-11 14:08                       ` Herring, Davis
2016-01-11 16:34                         ` Óscar Fuentes
2016-01-12  4:46                           ` Herring, Davis
2016-01-12  4:59                             ` Óscar Fuentes
2016-01-11 15:15                     ` Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen
2016-01-12  2:14                   ` Clément Pit--Claudel
2016-01-10 15:27                 ` Making `interactive' conditional (was: Leaving out non-applicable commands on Mx) Alan Mackenzie
2016-01-10 16:47                   ` Making `interactive' conditional Óscar Fuentes
2016-01-10 18:23                     ` Drew Adams
2016-01-10 19:31                       ` Óscar Fuentes
2016-01-10 22:40                         ` Drew Adams
2016-01-10 23:19                           ` Óscar Fuentes
2016-01-10 18:22                   ` Making `interactive' conditional (was: Leaving out non-applicable commands on Mx) Drew Adams
2016-01-11  6:29                     ` Making `interactive' conditional Stefan Monnier
2016-01-11 11:48                       ` Drew Adams
2016-01-10 18:33                   ` Clément Pit--Claudel
2016-01-10 22:28                   ` Making `interactive' conditional (was: Leaving out non-applicable commands on Mx) Marcin Borkowski
2016-01-11  6:19                 ` Making `interactive' conditional Stefan Monnier
2016-01-19  6:24                   ` John Wiegley
2016-01-19 10:11                     ` Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen
2016-01-19 11:17                       ` Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen
2016-01-19 13:31                       ` Stefan Monnier
2016-01-19 16:52                       ` Drew Adams
2016-01-19 15:28                     ` Óscar Fuentes
2016-01-19 16:07                       ` Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen
2016-01-19 20:24                         ` Óscar Fuentes
2016-01-19 16:20                       ` John Wiegley
2016-01-19 17:55                         ` Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen
2016-01-19 18:39                           ` John Wiegley
2016-01-19 19:02                             ` Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen
2016-01-19 20:23                         ` Óscar Fuentes
2016-01-09  8:06         ` Leaving out non-applicable commands on Mx Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen
2016-01-09 14:50           ` Óscar Fuentes
2016-01-09 17:32           ` Stefan Monnier
2016-01-10  8:53             ` Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen
2016-01-10 16:05               ` Stefan Monnier
2016-02-04  3:19                 ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2016-01-10 16:07               ` Stefan Monnier
2016-01-10 16:14                 ` Óscar Fuentes
2016-01-08 10:50   ` 4K Bugs Michael Albinus
2016-01-08 13:21     ` Phillip Lord
2016-01-08 13:33       ` Michael Albinus
2016-01-08 14:08         ` Phillip Lord
2016-01-09  4:21           ` Andrew Hyatt
2016-01-09  8:42             ` Michael Albinus
2016-01-11 13:54               ` Phillip Lord
2016-01-08 19:27         ` Stephen Leake
2016-01-08 20:52           ` Michael Albinus

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