From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Daniel Colascione Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Dynamic modules: MODULE_HANDLE_SIGNALS etc. Date: Mon, 4 Jan 2016 12:35:57 -0800 Message-ID: <568AD7AD.40204@dancol.org> References: <83mvu1x6t3.fsf@gnu.org> <83oadhp2mj.fsf@gnu.org> <567AD556.6020202@cs.ucla.edu> <567AD766.3060608@dancol.org> <567B5DAB.2000900@cs.ucla.edu> <83fuyromig.fsf@gnu.org> <567C25B1.3020101@dancol.org> <56892FD6.8040708@dancol.org> <56894CE7.7090301@cs.ucla.edu> <568950C5.2030306@dancol.org> <56896359.4020309@cs.ucla.edu> <568966D4.5080707@dancol.org> <56898C6F.4010303@cs.ucla.edu> <56898EBD.2000000@dancol.org> <5689AA89.4030404@cs.ucla.edu> <5689AD48.4040902@dancol.org> <8337ud8iec.fsf@gnu.org> <568A9280.90803@dancol.org> <83egdx72hd.fsf@gnu.org> <568AD73A.6080108@dancol.org> NNTP-Posting-Host: plane.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha256; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="NBEdotDRSBsLBIqXKN1b6T99ngoa2s0vl" X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1451939785 15609 80.91.229.3 (4 Jan 2016 20:36:25 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 4 Jan 2016 20:36:25 +0000 (UTC) To: Eli Zaretskii , eggert@cs.ucla.edu, Emacs-devel@gnu.org Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Mon Jan 04 21:36:25 2016 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by plane.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1aGBrX-0006Wu-FR for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Mon, 04 Jan 2016 21:36:19 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:47026 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1aGBrW-0000dE-JE for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Mon, 04 Jan 2016 15:36:18 -0500 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:44797) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1aGBrI-0000d3-CV for Emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 04 Jan 2016 15:36:05 -0500 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1aGBrH-00032v-I3 for Emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 04 Jan 2016 15:36:04 -0500 Original-Received: from dancol.org ([2600:3c01::f03c:91ff:fedf:adf3]:47786) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1aGBrH-00032a-Ap; Mon, 04 Jan 2016 15:36:03 -0500 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=dancol.org; s=x; h=Content-Type:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Date:Message-ID:From:References:To:Subject; bh=4smBJgsjgzvdgtFwYn1uQvmatP+TShx7CNZ5bP2DbcU=; b=gpKhY1L55iAfQnJZeIUipEwIPfB7lfAShcg68BY9dqj5YADZNhb9cBiuLToEB25hJ+fFFdTfDTnhcdl7EccVnJjkjG8gk4SDPotwLx7GfA8ai3h1K0+lnQWxHefXlsqx6vWc6hgV3mF4aXCyuBx+kDQRiZnQ7Zihl0d2jTHvjJ8FxH5+QCG+fVx2U90YKORQAGv4H7P6CzitughGfnCoLfSaG5HdZx7h8/tUmj57+ykGKf9CFX5O2LqQnpJ6mb42CXb/Dp5iCEWIp0HkM0lDEvE3vn43u3qtfn1yvzooNKjGWCBZbT8bPw7+4MZr0FXt/QrrQK8wyllDrOQqyL+7zQ==; Original-Received: from [2620:10d:c090:200::8:1dbc] (helo=[IPv6:2620:10d:c083:10fb:2ab2:bdff:fe1c:db58]) by dancol.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_128_GCM_SHA256:128) (Exim 4.84) (envelope-from ) id 1aGBrG-0005rX-Kn; Mon, 04 Jan 2016 12:36:02 -0800 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:38.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/38.4.0 In-Reply-To: <568AD73A.6080108@dancol.org> X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.2.x-3.x [generic] X-Received-From: 2600:3c01::f03c:91ff:fedf:adf3 X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:197628 Archived-At: This is an OpenPGP/MIME signed message (RFC 4880 and 3156) --NBEdotDRSBsLBIqXKN1b6T99ngoa2s0vl Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On 01/04/2016 12:34 PM, Daniel Colascione wrote: > On 01/04/2016 12:32 PM, John Wiegley wrote: >> OK, I've heard the concerns and input from all parties, and my decisio= n is >> that we will include the stack overflow recovery logic, as it is now >> implemented, while keeping our ears open for any problems this causes = to >> users. >> >> Daniel, Eli, Paul, thank you for spending the time to be vocal and del= iberate >> in enumerating your concerns. To Daniel specifically: I appreciate you= r >> experience in this area, and that you are not speaking from your imagi= nation, >> but I'd like to give the current recovery approach a try before callin= g it a >> non-starter, or branching out into more complex solutions. >> >> We *will* have the freedom to reverse this decision in a future releas= e if >> things become worse rather than better. But there is no more benefit i= n >> debating this future. >=20 > Thanks for considering the issue. I still think this decision does not > bode well at all for Emacs robustness, and I'm terribly disappointed. I take it you're not interested in other improvements to crash recovery? That's a shame. I was going to do some work there. 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