From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Paul Eggert Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: ASCII-only startup message? Date: Sat, 26 Dec 2015 15:28:49 -0800 Organization: UCLA Computer Science Department Message-ID: <567F22B1.9040702@cs.ucla.edu> References: <567ECD8C.1070408@cs.ucla.edu> <8360zlhy7x.fsf@gnu.org> <567EE043.9020109@cs.ucla.edu> <83y4chgh5q.fsf@gnu.org> <567EED47.1090700@cs.ucla.edu> <83si2pgci8.fsf@gnu.org> NNTP-Posting-Host: plane.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="------------070704050809040408060608" X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1451172569 18797 80.91.229.3 (26 Dec 2015 23:29:29 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 26 Dec 2015 23:29:29 +0000 (UTC) Cc: Emacs-devel@gnu.org To: Eli Zaretskii Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Sun Dec 27 00:29:20 2015 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by plane.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1aCyH1-0005GZ-PD for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Sun, 27 Dec 2015 00:29:20 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:40125 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1aCyH0-0006vg-VH for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Sat, 26 Dec 2015 18:29:18 -0500 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:33890) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1aCyGj-0006tE-TP for Emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sat, 26 Dec 2015 18:29:03 -0500 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1aCyGe-0003XF-Tx for Emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sat, 26 Dec 2015 18:29:01 -0500 Original-Received: from zimbra.cs.ucla.edu ([131.179.128.68]:51302) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1aCyGe-0003X0-O7; Sat, 26 Dec 2015 18:28:56 -0500 Original-Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zimbra.cs.ucla.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 089E21607C4; Sat, 26 Dec 2015 15:28:56 -0800 (PST) Original-Received: from zimbra.cs.ucla.edu ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (zimbra.cs.ucla.edu [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10032) with ESMTP id FU1VG0sXkOU6; Sat, 26 Dec 2015 15:28:50 -0800 (PST) Original-Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zimbra.cs.ucla.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 30D27160CC0; Sat, 26 Dec 2015 15:28:50 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at zimbra.cs.ucla.edu Original-Received: from zimbra.cs.ucla.edu ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (zimbra.cs.ucla.edu [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10026) with ESMTP id fni3T7Hncmk6; Sat, 26 Dec 2015 15:28:50 -0800 (PST) Original-Received: from [192.168.1.9] (pool-100-32-155-148.lsanca.fios.verizon.net [100.32.155.148]) by zimbra.cs.ucla.edu (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 0F2D41607C4; Sat, 26 Dec 2015 15:28:50 -0800 (PST) User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:38.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/38.4.0 In-Reply-To: <83si2pgci8.fsf@gnu.org> X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 3.x X-Received-From: 131.179.128.68 X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:196942 Archived-At: This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------070704050809040408060608 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Eli Zaretskii wrote: > The ugliness argument was about the grave accent, `, not about the > apostrophe. Although the ugliness argument is primarily about the grave accent, it is= also=20 about the apostrophe. With most fonts =E2=80=9CThere=E2=80=99s=E2=80=9D l= ooks nicer than =E2=80=9CThere's=E2=80=9D, and=20 it=E2=80=99s better typography in English. Either character will do, but = there seems=20 little point uglifying the former into the latter. To try to avoid spending more of our time about whether to use straight o= r=20 curved apostrophes, I reworded the commentary to omit the apostrophes. I=20 tightened it up a bit while I was at it. --------------070704050809040408060608 Content-Type: text/x-diff; name="0001-Reword-initial-scratch-for-brevity-appearance.patch" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="0001-Reword-initial-scratch-for-brevity-appearance.patch" >From c82f117c22d1f88f35166cdb7d58c2ca02b1127f Mon Sep 17 00:00:00 2001 From: Paul Eggert Date: Sat, 26 Dec 2015 15:22:28 -0800 Subject: [PATCH] Reword initial *scratch* for brevity, appearance * lisp/startup.el (initial-scratch-message): Reword to avoid apostrophes, and to make it shorter. See the thread starting in: http://lists.gnu.org/archive/html/emacs-devel/2015-12/msg01241.html --- lisp/startup.el | 5 ++--- 1 file changed, 2 insertions(+), 3 deletions(-) diff --git a/lisp/startup.el b/lisp/startup.el index 0e36d35..20f25a8 100644 --- a/lisp/startup.el +++ b/lisp/startup.el @@ -1430,9 +1430,8 @@ x-apply-session-resources (put 'cursor 'face-modified t)))) (defcustom initial-scratch-message (purecopy "\ -;; This buffer is for notes you don\\='t want to save, and for Lisp evaluation. -;; If you want to create a file, visit that file with \\[find-file], -;; then enter the text in that file\\='s own buffer. +;; This buffer is for text that is not saved, and for Lisp evaluation. +;; To create a file, visit it with \\[find-file] and enter text in its buffer. ") "Initial documentation displayed in *scratch* buffer at startup. -- 2.5.0 --------------070704050809040408060608--