From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Paul Eggert Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: ASCII-only startup message? Date: Sat, 26 Dec 2015 10:45:23 -0800 Organization: UCLA Computer Science Department Message-ID: <567EE043.9020109@cs.ucla.edu> References: <567ECD8C.1070408@cs.ucla.edu> <8360zlhy7x.fsf@gnu.org> NNTP-Posting-Host: plane.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1451155543 31700 80.91.229.3 (26 Dec 2015 18:45:43 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 26 Dec 2015 18:45:43 +0000 (UTC) Cc: Emacs-devel@gnu.org To: Eli Zaretskii Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Sat Dec 26 19:45:34 2015 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by plane.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1aCtqO-0004Hm-PG for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Sat, 26 Dec 2015 19:45:32 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:39566 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1aCtqO-0002qK-37 for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Sat, 26 Dec 2015 13:45:32 -0500 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:42682) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1aCtqK-0002qE-Sm for Emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sat, 26 Dec 2015 13:45:29 -0500 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1aCtqH-0000Yo-LT for Emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sat, 26 Dec 2015 13:45:28 -0500 Original-Received: from zimbra.cs.ucla.edu ([131.179.128.68]:46148) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1aCtqH-0000YV-FH; Sat, 26 Dec 2015 13:45:25 -0500 Original-Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zimbra.cs.ucla.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id BEB291607C4; Sat, 26 Dec 2015 10:45:24 -0800 (PST) Original-Received: from zimbra.cs.ucla.edu ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (zimbra.cs.ucla.edu [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10032) with ESMTP id B1JE9ac0u9d0; Sat, 26 Dec 2015 10:45:24 -0800 (PST) Original-Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zimbra.cs.ucla.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0FEE7160817; Sat, 26 Dec 2015 10:45:24 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at zimbra.cs.ucla.edu Original-Received: from zimbra.cs.ucla.edu ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (zimbra.cs.ucla.edu [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10026) with ESMTP id WasRtuTrXBUx; Sat, 26 Dec 2015 10:45:23 -0800 (PST) Original-Received: from [192.168.1.9] (pool-100-32-155-148.lsanca.fios.verizon.net [100.32.155.148]) by zimbra.cs.ucla.edu (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id E25C71607C4; Sat, 26 Dec 2015 10:45:23 -0800 (PST) User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:38.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/38.4.0 In-Reply-To: <8360zlhy7x.fsf@gnu.org> X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 3.x X-Received-From: 131.179.128.68 X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:196909 Archived-At: Eli Zaretskii wrote: > That text is a comment we insert into *scratch*; it's not a doc > string. Sure, but the same considerations apply to it that would apply to any text in commentary and documentation. The text should use good English style. > We shouldn't > produce non-ASCII characters in comments, it's a user prerogative. This is Emacs's comment, one that Emacs creates and inserts, so user prerogative does not apply here. > The adverse effect of inserting non-ASCII characters shows when your > locale's codeset is not UTF-8: if you want to save that buffer or any > part of it that includes this comment, you get annoyed by the request > to specify a suitable encoding (because*scratch* correctly starts > with the locale's default encoding). This sort of thing is far more likely to happen with *Help* and *Info* buffers than with the *scratch* buffer. If it is a problem, it needs to be fixed in general, so that any far-more-likely scenario is fixed. Changing the startup string is likely to paper over any real problem, and so is counterproductive.