From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: =?UTF-8?Q?Andreas_R=c3=b6hler?= Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: lax matching is not a great default behavior Date: Tue, 1 Dec 2015 10:23:09 +0100 Message-ID: <565D66FD.9090400@online.de> References: NNTP-Posting-Host: plane.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-15; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1448961831 6347 80.91.229.3 (1 Dec 2015 09:23:51 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 1 Dec 2015 09:23:51 +0000 (UTC) Cc: John Wiegley , Andreas Schwab , Drew Adams To: emacs-devel@gnu.org Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Tue Dec 01 10:23:41 2015 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by plane.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1a3h9u-0004nI-95 for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Tue, 01 Dec 2015 10:23:38 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:45443 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1a3h9o-00039I-I6 for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Tue, 01 Dec 2015 04:23:32 -0500 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:37119) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1a3h9k-000370-Fu for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 01 Dec 2015 04:23:29 -0500 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1a3h9g-0002sB-IW for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 01 Dec 2015 04:23:28 -0500 Original-Received: from mout.kundenserver.de ([217.72.192.73]:63292) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1a3h9g-0002s0-95 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 01 Dec 2015 04:23:24 -0500 Original-Received: from [192.168.178.33] ([77.3.2.20]) by mrelayeu.kundenserver.de (mreue103) with ESMTPSA (Nemesis) id 0MLiSZ-1a3y0E1Iqh-000pfP; Tue, 01 Dec 2015 10:23:17 +0100 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux i686; rv:38.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/38.3.0 In-Reply-To: X-Provags-ID: V03:K0:xh2UxGKt1C1rEyohNHGievRrEvKnBaQLjGUQwpY4sp1zUn3eFEv pWqoQ///OsBsJR8LqUgfv7i5VNtUELw85kkC/z6hVr5K+SfY9IwzfzmgiAKGa0t8wME9OXn jrSc24g7RBmxOPiWaVQFYxbIbREcTRHXmHcF+cBHbCgymTjEfBkFOasDPzD5ES9iD2Xxg30 GRdWrK7vPjghgQaEL9tfQ== X-UI-Out-Filterresults: notjunk:1;V01:K0:s5IeeDIEXbE=:FhWtKAJE7gdGrZ7vh+DEK/ CX/iOtpOG4x1fkq6IMzxd7MaP+nRJX47h/GDcsWmp1fZXsDjy/1AsHS4vnECuds7erxw2ecjU po/85SaBluWGB6Crw6A6qJJ9UJDGJm6W32fgGU3o6UWGTZRpMWZ57D2pVkorlz+rl+b8QZCUS vTqdx8B7IuNSuG0MTFz/j+hjE8OHt+wJQMISs/xtrF/fIhBn/bm+Uhg9l8rEmFckmj52my0UP I9s9MrSnlIauZn+Jss9hVfgKISpVpthV245ZXulRSnos5OIeXNM6x+Fb/pF4HoBvb0JiZqbty oCO+OewujqftloVM+jZLMxlNwsLStjcAf8Zg61zjO+EJTYgEtRUIFRetRAMgpqLUIXYVwRi5x VZMKZE2DbvMjjqnCdDfvoHx6Fn7GPgxP4jjMUwt5X0RmUCyBP3zzYwrJl5KbnqgPjObnoft8U 3C/0t38+LxUZWQcMUehOJ+mqFK3w718kewbQHjE31PGNZvCXCMGI5+i6CZgTajGvbdNbXRvo+ fz3R5dT8fCYHKicbwDWKcN3KWMTM90YWdBNU27UrEiduxqce4uq3s7jhbA9WMISIvX9d0zKOQ sXqmxr3Yn+UPNfwHBSmu2G4nfwwPiWRbhT2EapSl055NYukKHytezbQ9Ey1Scfkwj+3Wd1Wbz LGzFjP1se/r2xgMlkFDp/zvbqe/BfwZ3hhfWdVwqk1szTcmu8P+dfy2/kGbRdnyKBu96V+KRA QK/eTHSE77OZTN0L X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.2.x-3.x [generic] X-Received-From: 217.72.192.73 X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:195663 Archived-At: Am 28.11.2015 um 09:29 schrieb Andreas Schwab: > Drew Adams writes: > >> I realize that this would change the longstanding practice >> of having letter-case folding be default. I think that >> choice made sense back when most programming languages and >> OS's did not have a letter-case difference. But I don't >> think it is the best choice for the default behavior now. > > Case folding makes a lot of sense when searching in plain text, as is > the case in this sentence when searching for "case". > > Andreas. > Notion resp. implementation of case-folding is unclear outside ASCII and related. There must not be anything to be folded in a buffer. Folding is a notion which makes sense in special cases only - which are common in ASCII world, but not a reason for a default. New users should not be bothered with this vast area. GNU Linux is case-sensitive and Emacs should start by default like that. While specific language modes, like SQL, might or should change that.