From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: "Roland Winkler" Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.bugs Subject: bug#21746: 24.5; purpose of dired-keep-marker-copy? Date: Fri, 23 Oct 2015 20:20:23 -0500 Message-ID: <56535.83174.772198.22058@gargle.gargle.HOWL> References: <36360.86247.586145.22058@gargle.gargle.HOWL> <69182d70-1f68-4105-9f24-7bbef43e7ecb@default> <40607.80402.459249.22058@gargle.gargle.HOWL> <987d58d9-30d3-4067-a0ae-7a7722a3f2fb@default> NNTP-Posting-Host: plane.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1445649686 28684 80.91.229.3 (24 Oct 2015 01:21:26 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 24 Oct 2015 01:21:26 +0000 (UTC) Cc: 21746@debbugs.gnu.org To: Drew Adams Original-X-From: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Sat Oct 24 03:21:15 2015 Return-path: Envelope-to: geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by plane.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1ZpnW8-0000R4-Aa for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Sat, 24 Oct 2015 03:21:08 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:42332 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1ZpnW7-0006W8-Ks for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Fri, 23 Oct 2015 21:21:07 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:51423) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1ZpnW3-0006Vs-9n for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Fri, 23 Oct 2015 21:21:04 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1ZpnW2-00006p-A9 for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Fri, 23 Oct 2015 21:21:03 -0400 Original-Received: from debbugs.gnu.org ([208.118.235.43]:44559) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1ZpnW2-00006l-6p for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Fri, 23 Oct 2015 21:21:02 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-debbugs by debbugs.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1ZpnW1-00054D-Q4 for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Fri, 23 Oct 2015 21:21:01 -0400 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Resent-From: "Roland Winkler" Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Sat, 24 Oct 2015 01:21:01 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 21746 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: Original-Received: via spool by 21746-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B21746.144564964819443 (code B ref 21746); Sat, 24 Oct 2015 01:21:01 +0000 Original-Received: (at 21746) by debbugs.gnu.org; 24 Oct 2015 01:20:48 +0000 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:35267 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1ZpnVn-00053X-IU for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 23 Oct 2015 21:20:47 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([208.118.235.92]:41339) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1ZpnVT-00052w-Pz for 21746@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 23 Oct 2015 21:20:46 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1ZpnVS-0008Ot-L1 for 21746@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 23 Oct 2015 21:20:27 -0400 Original-Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::e]:48001) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1ZpnVS-0008Oj-BO; Fri, 23 Oct 2015 21:20:26 -0400 Original-Received: from [2602:30a:2e52:d720:317d:3b04:76ec:4ee6] (port=33121 helo=regnitz) by fencepost.gnu.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.2:DHE_RSA_AES_128_CBC_SHA1:128) (Exim 4.82) (envelope-from ) id 1ZpnVR-0001tu-ML; Fri, 23 Oct 2015 21:20:25 -0400 In-Reply-To: <987d58d9-30d3-4067-a0ae-7a7722a3f2fb@default> X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: Error: Malformed IPv6 address (bad octet value). X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 3.x X-Received-From: 208.118.235.43 X-BeenThere: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org List-Id: "Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.bugs:107954 Archived-At: On Fri Oct 23 2015 Drew Adams wrote: > There is a lot in Dired that I think should be exposed/documented > better/more. By default we don't even load dired-x.el or > dired-aux.el, and they provide lots of stuff useful even for > beginners, including lots of menus. > > I would be in favor of our loading both of these Dired libraries > by default. There is lots in Dired that users can benefit from, > but they are typically unaware of it. There is a big difference between exposing and documenting more features from dired. I immediately agree on better documentation of dired features. But I am not sure it will make new emacs users happy when they get overwhelmed by features they do not understand. Advanced users, on the other hand, know how to read the manuals and then get the customization they want. > Marking with `C' is still useful, even if you never do anything > with those marks. It provides a clear indication of the copied > files. That's exactly why these C's are irritating and inconsistent: the properly documented marks `*' and `D' serve the purpose of indicating that an action _will be_ performed on certain files. The C's indicate that an action _has been_ performed and they get into the way when you are using the other marks. Say, before marking files for some new action I type `g' (revert-buffer). If this gives me an unmodified buffer, there are no left-over marks floating around that I have overlooked. The C's are just in the way for how marks are used otherwise. Roland