From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Dmitry Gutov Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.tangents Subject: Too few people taking care of bug reports, was: Re: Release process (was Re: Move to a cadence release model?) Date: Wed, 11 Nov 2015 22:39:25 +0200 Message-ID: <5643A77D.90704@yandex.ru> References: <8337wdn6uu.fsf@gnu.org> <86611975jo.fsf_-_@stephe-leake.org> <838u65kxly.fsf@gnu.org> <86mvuk4xxd.fsf@stephe-leake.org> <831tbwlext.fsf@gnu.org> NNTP-Posting-Host: plane.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1447274382 27152 80.91.229.3 (11 Nov 2015 20:39:42 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 11 Nov 2015 20:39:42 +0000 (UTC) Cc: emacs-tangents@gnu.org, john@yates-sheets.org To: Eli Zaretskii , Stephen Leake Original-X-From: emacs-tangents-bounces+get-emacs-tangents=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Wed Nov 11 21:39:36 2015 Return-path: Envelope-to: get-emacs-tangents@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by plane.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1ZwcB5-0004gt-3t for get-emacs-tangents@m.gmane.org; Wed, 11 Nov 2015 21:39:35 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:42845 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1ZwcB5-0004pQ-4Q for get-emacs-tangents@m.gmane.org; Wed, 11 Nov 2015 15:39:35 -0500 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:56807) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1ZwcB2-0004nC-PN for emacs-tangents@gnu.org; Wed, 11 Nov 2015 15:39:33 -0500 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1ZwcAz-0003ob-Ip for emacs-tangents@gnu.org; Wed, 11 Nov 2015 15:39:32 -0500 Original-Received: from mail-wm0-x236.google.com ([2a00:1450:400c:c09::236]:37062) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1ZwcAz-0003o4-Dc; Wed, 11 Nov 2015 15:39:29 -0500 Original-Received: by wmww144 with SMTP id w144so60740533wmw.0; Wed, 11 Nov 2015 12:39:28 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=sender:subject:to:references:cc:from:message-id:date:user-agent :mime-version:in-reply-to:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=+7yX9jdC5XLhHce421KfemJsRyXX99Q5s+I7ryvRPmM=; b=JL1Sk6ioFjKdE6Hp8eWVjqNEiyA5ebI6Ep1lDXLR1PyZyYyeuH2YJcj/KGs/lQvrOB Vg1KAbBavzVthEfWqIHPA6hrqWehaBAiKQ3CIZbCm9tomB5II27L3dySDEvQf3YIfBgT uxV5DDLlwjyVlt+gKWuFqACYCK5353Iz2Afh9SXNBR4kvXsP1s+pVWaVYVYZ2Y0XSmZ+ 1fEEcHK7zkUb5ei8pI2zJ9tJRjwuy5IISIFX1+jlTmRY5lCu0EzInzO9+QsjGv49loCW +90H2yAET0fOOs/L2rSJn40am28LPWVSbOmEdzatr7zOR0OZ7kXnZ1kGsm+KcX/fj4rQ sKGQ== X-Received: by 10.28.19.146 with SMTP id 140mr39042984wmt.96.1447274368580; Wed, 11 Nov 2015 12:39:28 -0800 (PST) Original-Received: from [192.168.1.2] ([185.105.175.24]) by smtp.googlemail.com with ESMTPSA id c194sm11357781wmd.13.2015.11.11.12.39.26 (version=TLSv1.2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128/128); Wed, 11 Nov 2015 12:39:27 -0800 (PST) User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:42.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/42.0 In-Reply-To: <831tbwlext.fsf@gnu.org> X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: Error: Malformed IPv6 address (bad octet value). X-Received-From: 2a00:1450:400c:c09::236 X-BeenThere: emacs-tangents@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-tangents-bounces+get-emacs-tangents=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: emacs-tangents-bounces+get-emacs-tangents=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.tangents:2 Archived-At: On 11/11/2015 05:43 PM, Eli Zaretskii wrote: >>> These considerations will become valid only when we have enough >>> developers paying attention to bugs that are reported. (That includes >>> you, Stephen, btw.) > > (Upon re-reading, I apologize for being so blunt. It just feels too > lonely there, at times.) I think a significant part of that problem is self-imposed. Personally, I try to pay attention to bugs that are related to code that I at least have touched at some point, or bugs that affect me directly, but it seems there aren't too many of those. And I don't think it's reasonable to expect much more of any contributor. Over time, we've put a lot of conditions on Emacs development. There's a lot of code in the core, some of which is used by only marginal fractions of our users and has no one personally responsible for it. Yet we feel obliged to keep it in Emacs, because backward compatibility and careful deprecation policy. Even though we're lacking in developers. Our bug tracker is peculiar, and on its own turns many less experienced users away. Users that could participate in triaging bugs, at least, if not writing patches. Maybe trying out submitted patches, too. Yet over several discussions that happened in the past, it was decided to keep it, because the ability to interact with the bug tracker via email (and some other advantages, though I'm not sure which ones) has been deemed more valuable than a functional HTML-based interface that allows one to manage bugs in the browser, leave comments, etc, which is expected by most users these days.