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From: Drew Adams <drew.adams@oracle.com>
To: Tianxiang Xiong <tianxiang.xiong@gmail.com>
Cc: Stefan Monnier <monnier@iro.umontreal.ca>,
	Emacs developers <emacs-devel@gnu.org>
Subject: RE: subr-x.el code and defsubst [was: Trimming strings, /.../subr-x.el modification]
Date: Sun, 14 May 2017 18:11:37 -0700 (PDT)	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <563f6898-f092-4369-af60-3e5c11e2b372@default> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <CACMkxizo_v3R-B-oY=Qdsd-_LzCXWdxkwMJhqpyxd7JSZEAC7g@mail.gmail.com>

> I also don't understand why `subr-x.el` exists. 
>
> First of all, why not put `string-*` functions in a `string.el`?
> It's surprising that no such file exists at the moment.
>
> Secondly, why are these functions considered "experimental"?
> If a package depends on a function in `subr-x` that is later
> removed, is it any less inconvenient for the package author
> than if `subr-x` was not experimental? No. Empirically, the
> `string-*` and `thread-*` functions see a lot of use in the
> wild, so (re)moving them at this point would cause quite an
> uproar.
>
> If functions need to considered experimental, at least put
> them in the "right" place--e.g. `string-empty-p` in `string.el`.
> That way, even if the function's implementation needed to
> be modified, package authors won't need to `require` a
> different package. Organization matters.

FWIW, I agree.

Perhaps it's not a coincidence that this policy/approach was
accompanied in time by the introduction (or perhaps increase)
of the use of "*--*" names for "internal" Lisp constructs.
Similarly misguided, I think.

If you really feel the need for a "purgatory" or "lab" for
code that you don't yet feel confident about or haven't yet
consecrated as official or backed by commitment, code that
you consider experimental or internal so that you can feel
more freedom to modify it without worrying about users, at
least stick it in GNU ELPA, please.



  reply	other threads:[~2017-05-15  1:11 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 73+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2017-05-02  9:34 Trimming strings, /emacs/lisp/emacs-lisp/subr-x.el modification Jean-Christophe Helary
2017-05-02 15:41 ` Clément Pit-Claudel
2017-05-02 22:35   ` Jean-Christophe Helary
2017-05-02 17:16 ` Eli Zaretskii
2017-05-02 22:48   ` Jean-Christophe Helary
2017-05-02 23:11 ` Mark Oteiza
2017-05-03  1:13   ` Jean-Christophe Helary
2017-05-06  2:41     ` Jean-Christophe Helary
2017-05-06  4:29       ` Tino Calancha
2017-05-06  9:02         ` Jean-Christophe Helary
2017-05-06  9:22           ` Eli Zaretskii
2017-05-06 10:33             ` Jean-Christophe Helary
2017-05-06 10:43               ` Eli Zaretskii
2017-05-06 11:02                 ` Jean-Christophe Helary
2017-05-06 13:05                   ` Jean-Christophe Helary
2017-05-06 13:51                     ` Tino Calancha
2017-05-06 14:24                       ` Eli Zaretskii
2017-05-07  2:25                         ` Tino Calancha
2017-05-07  2:43                           ` Eli Zaretskii
2017-05-07 10:40                             ` Tino Calancha
2017-05-06 17:51                     ` Johan Bockgård
2017-05-06 19:02                       ` Eli Zaretskii
2017-05-06 19:55                         ` Johan Bockgård
2017-05-06 20:03                           ` Eli Zaretskii
2017-05-07 16:23                             ` Johan Bockgård
2017-05-07 16:53                               ` Eli Zaretskii
2017-05-10  9:21                                 ` Yuri Khan
2017-05-10 11:15                                   ` Jean-Christophe Helary
2017-05-10 11:56                                   ` Stefan Monnier
2017-05-10 12:21                                     ` Jean-Christophe Helary
2017-05-08  2:40                             ` Jean-Christophe Helary
2017-05-08 14:28                               ` Eli Zaretskii
2017-05-08 21:33                                 ` Jean-Christophe Helary
2017-05-08 22:45                                   ` Johan Bockgård
2017-05-08 23:15                                     ` Jean-Christophe Helary
2017-05-09 12:05                                       ` Michael Heerdegen
2017-05-09 13:09                                         ` Jean-Christophe Helary
2017-05-09 14:05                                           ` Michael Heerdegen
2017-05-10  9:30                                           ` Michael Heerdegen
2017-05-10 11:11                                             ` Jean-Christophe Helary
2017-05-09 15:23                                         ` Eli Zaretskii
2017-05-09 15:33                                           ` Jean-Christophe Helary
2017-05-09 16:21                                             ` Eli Zaretskii
2017-05-09 23:03                                               ` Jean-Christophe Helary
2017-05-10  0:45                                                 ` Stefan Monnier
2017-05-10  2:44                                                   ` Eli Zaretskii
2017-05-10  3:09                                                     ` Stefan Monnier
2017-05-10  3:49                                                   ` Jean-Christophe Helary
2017-05-10 11:55                                                     ` Stefan Monnier
2017-05-09 16:37                                             ` Andreas Schwab
2017-05-10  2:29                                               ` Eli Zaretskii
2017-05-10  7:45                                                 ` Andreas Schwab
2017-05-10 11:07                                                   ` Jean-Christophe Helary
2017-05-07  4:39                           ` Jean-Christophe Helary
2017-05-07 14:49                             ` Eli Zaretskii
2017-05-07 13:48                       ` Stefan Monnier
2017-05-10 14:26                   ` Jean-Christophe Helary
2017-05-13 13:36                     ` bug#26908: Fwd: " Jean-Christophe Helary
2017-05-16 22:21                       ` Jean-Christophe Helary
2017-05-17  2:26                         ` Eli Zaretskii
2017-05-17  3:41                           ` Jean-Christophe Helary
2017-05-17  3:41                           ` Jean-Christophe Helary
2017-05-17  2:26                         ` Eli Zaretskii
2017-05-16 22:21                       ` Jean-Christophe Helary
2017-05-19 11:30                       ` Eli Zaretskii
2017-05-06 11:06                 ` Jean-Christophe Helary
2017-05-06 16:30           ` Drew Adams
2017-05-06 17:44             ` Stefan Monnier
2017-05-06 18:07               ` subr-x.el code and defsubst [was: Trimming strings, /.../subr-x.el modification] Drew Adams
2017-05-14 22:45                 ` Tianxiang Xiong
2017-05-15  1:11                   ` Drew Adams [this message]
2017-05-06  9:12         ` Trimming strings, /emacs/lisp/emacs-lisp/subr-x.el modification Andreas Schwab
2017-05-06 10:31           ` Tino Calancha

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