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From: Drew Adams <drew.adams@oracle.com>
To: Noam Postavsky <npostavs@gmail.com>
Cc: 32562@debbugs.gnu.org
Subject: bug#32562: 26; `read-char(-exclusive)' and `characterp'
Date: Tue, 28 Aug 2018 14:24:36 -0700 (PDT)	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <563c0c84-c4dd-4672-a009-df90bef6d6a3@default> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <CAM-tV-8iMCYG0rDwFXKD8fS2KPFy3v0icy9S+boxxTCimSjvxg@mail.gmail.com>

> forcemerge 13599 32562
> quit
> 
> > Something seems wrong.  The doc for `read-char(-exclusive)' talks about
> > reading a character. For `read-char' it says that it raises an error for
> > a non-char event.  And for `read-char-exclusive' it says that it ignores
> > non-char events that it reads.
> >
> > But they both seem to read the event from `M-:' and return its value
> > (a number). And it is not a character, according to `characterp'.
> 
> This is bug#13599/1042

Hm. Maybe it is. But is `read-char' necessarily about chars that satisfy `characterp'?

I would think so, but maybe not. And there are other "character" functions, which accept chars as args - `text-char-description', for example. (That's what I was passing the result of `read-char' to.) 

The doc string of `text-char-description' says "file-character CHARACTER". What's a "file character"? A character that can appear in a file name? Same thing as what `max-char' should recognize? Same thing as what `read-char' should consider a char? The Elisp manual (node Describing Characters) says it is "characters that appear in text—like ‘single-key-description’, except that..." It says nothing about "file characters". The doc is not too clear.

This stuff is not clear more generally, I think - beyond the max value of `max-char'. Do we have or want to have different kinds of "characters" returned from or passed as args to different "character" functions? Why (or why not)?

Wrt my original problem: taking a value of `M-:' from `read-char' and passing it to `text-char-description', Emacs has a regression of sorts. Older Emacs versions "work", whereas recent versions raise an error. E.g. Emacs 20 `read-char' returns -134217670, and passing that to `text-char-description' gives "\272". Whatever `read-char' can read, it seems, `text-char-description' can describe (perhaps imperfectly?).

I think that "the bug" is not so clear cut as just adjusting `max-char'. I think the behavior of several functions that expect or return chars might deserve adjustment, and the doc might deserve some clarification/fixes. We might need to decide what the right behaviors are first.





  reply	other threads:[~2018-08-28 21:24 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 20+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2018-08-28 20:39 bug#32562: 26; `read-char(-exclusive)' and `characterp' Drew Adams
2018-08-28 20:51 ` Noam Postavsky
2018-08-28 21:24   ` Drew Adams [this message]
2018-08-28 22:27     ` Noam Postavsky
2018-09-10 10:01     ` Eli Zaretskii
2018-09-10  9:56 ` Eli Zaretskii
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2018-09-10 13:43   ` Drew Adams
2018-09-10 14:04     ` Eli Zaretskii
2018-09-10 14:29     ` Andreas Schwab
2018-09-10 15:01       ` Drew Adams
2018-09-10 17:22         ` Eli Zaretskii
     [not found] <<<3cce8b54-2e85-49a2-84d8-386ded864148@default>
     [not found] ` <<<83d0tlpteu.fsf@gnu.org>
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     [not found]     ` <<83r2i1o3dr.fsf@gnu.org>
2018-09-10 14:57       ` Drew Adams
     [not found]     ` <<mvmtvmxctnm.fsf@suse.de>
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2018-09-10 19:48           ` Drew Adams
2018-09-11  7:57             ` Eli Zaretskii
2018-09-11 15:30               ` Drew Adams
2018-09-11 17:07                 ` Eli Zaretskii
     [not found]   ` <<<5f51bd06-84dd-47f5-a7da-b0c5814a274c@default>
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2018-09-11 17:22                   ` Drew Adams
2018-09-11 18:34                     ` Eli Zaretskii
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     [not found] ` <<<<83d0tlpteu.fsf@gnu.org>
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     [not found]                     ` <<83ftyfnarp.fsf@gnu.org>
2018-09-11 18:58                       ` Drew Adams
2018-09-11 19:03                         ` Eli Zaretskii

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