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From: "Andreas Röhler" <andreas.roehler@online.de>
To: David Kastrup <dak@gnu.org>
Cc: rms@gnu.org, emacs-devel@gnu.org
Subject: Re: beginning-of-defun (again)
Date: Sat, 31 Oct 2015 16:55:11 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <5634E45F.8000703@online.de> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <87pozv2pl8.fsf@fencepost.gnu.org>

  On 31.10.2015 13:24, David Kastrup wrote:
> Andreas Röhler<andreas.roehler@online.de>  writes:
>
>>   On 31.10.2015 00:14, Richard Stallman wrote:
>>> [[[ To any NSA and FBI agents reading my email: please consider    ]]]
>>> [[[ whether defending the US Constitution against all enemies,     ]]]
>>> [[[ foreign or domestic, requires you to follow Snowden's example. ]]]
>>>
>>>     >   With emacs -Q, C-M-a from behind example below, stops at "(bar)",
>>>     >   missing the beginning of function.
>>>
>>>     >   (defun foo ()
>>>     >      (insert "
>>>     >   (bar)"))
>>>
>>> Our convention is that you should write it this way:
>>>
>>>      (defun foo ()
>>>         (insert "
>>>      \(bar)"))
>>>
>> A convention which probably predates Aristoteles :)
>> Working-by-convention is rather a social thing...
>>
>> That design was a real nuisance  when generating and writing functions
>> on the fly.
>> Sure, it's possible to live with it. But why not remove that
>> constraint, if possible?
> Because reparsing every file from its beginning in order to indent the
> current line is too expensive for large files?
>

Delivered some benchmark showing a reliable solution must not be slower.

> The meaning of every Lisp file can be changed by putting
>
> (setq everything "
>
> at its beginning.  There really is no correct way to determine current
> state apart from parsing from the start.  So we have a convention for an
> "incorrect way" of avoiding parsing from the start.
>

With the side-effect of creating a certain number of bugs - which are 
already inside, but not reported, because "configure..." would be the 
answer.

The current buggy behavior detects beginning-of-defun inside a string - 
which is not to cure by conventions.



  reply	other threads:[~2015-10-31 15:55 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 31+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2015-10-29 11:24 beginning-of-defun (again) Andreas Röhler
2015-10-29 11:52 ` Oleh Krehel
2015-10-29 12:03   ` David Kastrup
2015-10-29 13:07     ` Oleh Krehel
2015-10-29 13:28       ` David Kastrup
2015-10-29 13:47       ` David Kastrup
2015-10-29 17:39         ` Andreas Röhler
2015-10-29 12:11   ` Andreas Röhler
2015-10-29 12:16     ` Kaushal Modi
2015-10-29 17:56   ` John Wiegley
2015-10-30  1:35     ` Richard Stallman
2015-10-30  2:20       ` John Wiegley
2015-10-30  9:29         ` Oleh Krehel
2015-10-30 18:17           ` John Wiegley
2015-10-30 23:13         ` Richard Stallman
2015-10-30 23:29           ` Alan Mackenzie
2015-10-30 23:34             ` John Wiegley
2015-11-01  1:05             ` Richard Stallman
2015-10-29 12:46 ` Alan Mackenzie
2015-10-29 12:56   ` Andreas Röhler
2015-10-29 13:31     ` David Kastrup
2015-10-29 14:46       ` Andreas Röhler
2015-10-29 14:57         ` David Kastrup
2015-10-29 14:14     ` Alan Mackenzie
2015-10-30  1:34 ` Richard Stallman
2015-10-30  6:47   ` Andreas Röhler
2015-10-30 23:14     ` Richard Stallman
2015-10-31  8:01       ` Andreas Röhler
2015-10-31 12:24         ` David Kastrup
2015-10-31 15:55           ` Andreas Röhler [this message]
2015-11-01  1:06         ` Richard Stallman

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