From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: "Davis Herring" Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Please add a "Guided Tour" menu command Date: Tue, 4 Nov 2008 15:56:05 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <56299.128.165.123.18.1225842965.squirrel@webmail.lanl.gov> References: <87ejpc3ilr.fsf@localhost.i-did-not-set--mail-host-address--so-tickle-me> <878wwen09k.fsf@jurta.org> <87wsfjtl0s.fsf@cyd.mit.edu> <005801c93ec3$d5ab54d0$0200a8c0@us.oracle.com> Reply-To: herring@lanl.gov NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1225842984 18410 80.91.229.12 (4 Nov 2008 23:56:24 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 4 Nov 2008 23:56:24 +0000 (UTC) To: emacs-devel@gnu.org Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Wed Nov 05 00:57:27 2008 connect(): Connection refused Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.50) id 1KxVm1-0007BO-Sx for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Wed, 05 Nov 2008 00:57:26 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:56047 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1KxVku-00060f-Kb for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Tue, 04 Nov 2008 18:56:16 -0500 Original-Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1KxVkp-00060T-Lr for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 04 Nov 2008 18:56:11 -0500 Original-Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1KxVkn-0005zl-0Q for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 04 Nov 2008 18:56:11 -0500 Original-Received: from [199.232.76.173] (port=59179 helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1KxVkm-0005zh-Sl for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 04 Nov 2008 18:56:08 -0500 Original-Received: from proofpoint3.lanl.gov ([204.121.3.28]:53202) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS-1.0:DHE_RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:32) (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1KxVkm-0005eI-B1 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 04 Nov 2008 18:56:08 -0500 Original-Received: from mailrelay1.lanl.gov (mailrelay1.lanl.gov [128.165.4.101]) by proofpoint3.lanl.gov (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id mA4Nu5R6002051 for ; Tue, 4 Nov 2008 16:56:05 -0700 Original-Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by mailrelay1.lanl.gov (Postfix) with ESMTP id 988F4242C3B for ; Tue, 4 Nov 2008 16:56:05 -0700 (MST) X-CTN-5-Virus-Scanner: amavisd-new at mailrelay1.lanl.gov Original-Received: from webmail1.lanl.gov (webmail1.lanl.gov [128.165.4.106]) by mailrelay1.lanl.gov (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5D166242C30 for ; Tue, 4 Nov 2008 16:56:05 -0700 (MST) Original-Received: by webmail1.lanl.gov (Postfix, from userid 48) id 5B6A81518033; Tue, 4 Nov 2008 16:56:05 -0700 (MST) Original-Received: from 128.165.123.18 (SquirrelMail authenticated user 196434) by webmail.lanl.gov with HTTP; Tue, 4 Nov 2008 15:56:05 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: User-Agent: SquirrelMail/1.4.8-4.0.1.el5.lanl.4 X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Importance: Normal X-Proofpoint-Virus-Version: vendor=fsecure engine=4.65.7400:2.4.4, 1.2.40, 4.0.164 definitions=2008-11-04_13:2008-10-10, 2008-11-04, 2008-11-04 signatures=0 X-detected-operating-system: by monty-python.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.4-2.6 X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:105394 Archived-At: Jason Spiro wrote: >> > Web Tour > > * I don't like the World Wide Web. If I were an Emacs newbie, I > would not click "Web Tour". I would click "Tutorial" instead. So I > would miss out on the tour. I Is there any way for us to tell Help > menu viewers that the tour describes a much wider variety of useful > features for programmers and others, but the tutorial covers only text > editing basics? Maybe name the menu items "Tutorial (for > non-programmers only)" and "Web Tour (for everyone)"? As Stefan said, the name "Web Tour" seems to suggest a tour of and not on the WWW, and the hyperlink nature of it is also odd. Perhaps both of those concerns can be alleviated by renaming it to something like "Feature Tour (Web)". Then what it describes is made explicit, and it should no longer be a surprise that it is a hyperlink. The presence of the word "Web" might still put you off, but I suspect that the number of (even potential) Emacs newbies in 2008 that avoid using the WWW is rather small (probably smaller than the number of Emacs users who do so). Davis -- This product is sold by volume, not by mass. If it appears too dense or too sparse, it is because mass-energy conversion has occurred during shipping.