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From: Daniel Colascione <dancol@dancol.org>
To: "Oleh Krehel" <ohwoeowho@gmail.com>, "Óscar Fuentes" <ofv@wanadoo.es>
Cc: emacs-devel@gnu.org
Subject: Re: Emacs rewrite in a maintainable language
Date: Mon, 12 Oct 2015 14:28:18 -0700	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <561C25F2.9040808@dancol.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <87lhb82qxc.fsf@gmail.com>

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On 10/12/2015 05:48 AM, Oleh Krehel wrote:
> Óscar Fuentes <ofv@wanadoo.es> writes:
> 
>> Replacing C with a language that helps people to write readable, safe,
>> efficient and maintainable code without having to study the existing
>> code base for months looks quite appealing to me. That replacement could
>> be gradual (no "stopping the world while The Big Rewrite is underway.")
>> If that language is not so popular as C, that's no big problem as long
>> as it makes things less daunting for those willing to work on the Emacs
>> core. As already said, there is no dramatic shortage of people who learn
>> Elisp just for hacking Emacs.
> 
> I think slowly moving the Emacs C core to C++ is a good idea.  The two
> languages are supposed to be largely compile-compatible, i.e. g++ can
> understand what was meant for gcc.

Not generally --- C++ has no implicit void cast. I very much think that
this whole thread is a giant waste of time. We have a core that works
perfectly well. We should focus on things that actually matter, not
arguing about things that will never change, or worse, changing massive
amounts of code for no good reason.

I'm firmly opposed to a move to C++. If you want a higher-level
language, use elisp.


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Thread overview: 250+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2015-10-11  8:11 Emacs rewrite in a maintainable language Przemysław Wojnowski
2015-10-11  8:17 ` David Kastrup
2015-10-11 22:02   ` Marcin Borkowski
2015-10-11 22:14     ` John Wiegley
2015-10-11 22:37       ` Óscar Fuentes
2015-10-11 22:37       ` Marcin Borkowski
2015-10-11 22:49         ` John Wiegley
2015-10-11 22:51         ` Óscar Fuentes
2015-10-11 23:12         ` Drew Adams
2015-10-12  2:43     ` Eli Zaretskii
2015-10-12 15:35       ` Eli Zaretskii
2015-10-12 21:30         ` Daniel Colascione
2015-10-12 20:01     ` Richard Stallman
2015-10-11  8:54 ` Alexis
2015-10-11 10:53   ` Przemysław Wojnowski
2015-10-11 11:23 ` Thomas Koch
2015-10-11 13:11   ` Dmitry Gutov
2015-10-11 13:36     ` David Kastrup
2015-10-11 13:39       ` Dmitry Gutov
2015-10-11 13:55         ` David Kastrup
2015-10-11 14:03           ` Dmitry Gutov
2015-10-11 12:52 ` Daniel Colascione
2015-10-11 12:59 ` Fabrice Popineau
2015-10-11 17:25 ` John Wiegley
2015-10-11 18:32   ` Óscar Fuentes
2015-10-11 19:14     ` Eli Zaretskii
2015-10-11 19:43       ` Óscar Fuentes
2015-10-11 19:53         ` Eli Zaretskii
2015-10-11 20:13           ` Óscar Fuentes
2015-10-12  2:33             ` Eli Zaretskii
2015-10-12  3:59               ` Paul Eggert
2015-10-12  8:12                 ` Steinar Bang
2015-10-12  9:36                   ` Marcin Borkowski
2015-10-12 10:20                     ` David Kastrup
2015-10-12 12:23               ` Óscar Fuentes
2015-10-12 16:08                 ` Eli Zaretskii
2015-10-12 20:00         ` Richard Stallman
2015-10-13  2:36           ` Rustom Mody
2015-10-12 10:56       ` Michael Heerdegen
2015-10-11 21:52     ` John Wiegley
2015-10-12  7:14       ` David Kastrup
2015-10-12 12:48     ` Oleh Krehel
2015-10-12 13:22       ` Óscar Fuentes
2015-10-12 14:18         ` Oleh Krehel
2015-10-12 15:04           ` David Kastrup
2015-10-12 18:24         ` John Wiegley
2015-10-12 19:21           ` Óscar Fuentes
2015-10-12 19:39             ` John Wiegley
2015-10-12 19:46               ` Eli Zaretskii
2015-10-12 19:58                 ` Eli Zaretskii
2015-10-12 20:11                   ` John Wiegley
2015-10-12 20:42                     ` Marcin Borkowski
2015-10-12 20:46                     ` Óscar Fuentes
2015-10-13 14:57                     ` Eli Zaretskii
2015-10-13 16:22                       ` John Wiegley
2015-10-13 16:40                         ` Drew Adams
2015-10-13 16:49                           ` John Wiegley
2015-10-12 20:40               ` Drew Adams
2015-10-13  4:18                 ` John Wiegley
2015-10-13  6:00                   ` immerrr again
2015-10-13 14:59                     ` Eli Zaretskii
2015-10-13  1:12               ` Óscar Fuentes
2015-10-13 10:01               ` David Kastrup
2015-10-13 15:12                 ` Eli Zaretskii
2015-10-13 15:20                   ` David Kastrup
2015-10-14 15:04                     ` Chris Patti
2015-10-14 15:34                       ` Jay Belanger
2015-10-16 12:25                   ` Guile-Emacs Ludovic Courtès
2015-10-16 12:03                 ` Emacs rewrite in a maintainable language Ludovic Courtès
2015-10-16 13:30                   ` Eli Zaretskii
2015-10-16 14:55                     ` Wolfgang Jenkner
2015-10-16 15:14                       ` Eli Zaretskii
2015-10-16 15:25                     ` Ludovic Courtès
2015-10-16 15:51                       ` David Kastrup
2015-10-16 14:29                   ` David Kastrup
2015-10-16 15:08                     ` Eli Zaretskii
2015-10-16 15:28                       ` David Kastrup
2015-10-16 16:05                         ` Eli Zaretskii
2015-10-16 15:31                       ` Ludovic Courtès
2015-10-16 16:11                         ` Eli Zaretskii
2015-10-16 19:34                           ` Przemysław Wojnowski
2015-10-16 19:51                             ` David Kastrup
2015-10-16 19:52                             ` Eli Zaretskii
2015-10-16 20:51                           ` Ludovic Courtès
2015-10-17  5:27                             ` David Kastrup
2015-10-17  7:20                             ` Eli Zaretskii
2015-10-17  9:44                               ` Ludovic Courtès
2015-10-17 10:24                                 ` Eli Zaretskii
2015-10-18 10:22                                   ` Ludovic Courtès
2015-10-18 11:33                                     ` David Kastrup
2015-10-18 12:54                                       ` Taylan Ulrich Bayırlı/Kammer
2015-10-18 13:17                                         ` David Kastrup
2015-10-18 14:40                                           ` Taylan Ulrich Bayırlı/Kammer
2015-10-18 15:31                                             ` David Kastrup
2015-10-18 16:19                                         ` Eli Zaretskii
2015-10-18 16:37                                           ` Taylan Ulrich Bayırlı/Kammer
2015-10-18 16:44                                             ` Eli Zaretskii
2015-10-18 17:06                                               ` Taylan Ulrich Bayırlı/Kammer
2015-10-18 17:11                                                 ` David Kastrup
2015-10-18 17:36                                                 ` Eli Zaretskii
2015-10-18 17:52                                                   ` John Wiegley
2015-10-18 18:23                                                     ` Daniel Colascione
2015-10-18 18:35                                                       ` David Kastrup
2015-10-18 18:53                                                         ` Daniel Colascione
2015-10-18 19:03                                                           ` David Kastrup
2015-10-18 19:13                                                           ` Paul Eggert
2015-10-18 19:35                                                           ` Taylan Ulrich Bayırlı/Kammer
2015-10-18 19:49                                                             ` Daniel Colascione
2015-10-19  7:59                                                               ` Taylan Ulrich Bayırlı/Kammer
2015-10-19 10:50                                                                 ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2015-10-19 10:59                                                                   ` Eli Zaretskii
2015-10-19 11:31                                                                     ` David Kastrup
2015-10-19 12:04                                                                       ` David Kastrup
2015-10-19 11:24                                                                   ` David Kastrup
2015-10-20  4:18                                                                     ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2015-10-20  7:36                                                                       ` David Kastrup
2015-10-20 10:17                                                                         ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2015-10-19 12:26                                                                   ` Taylan Ulrich Bayırlı/Kammer
2015-10-19 12:53                                                                     ` David Kastrup
2015-10-19 17:43                                                                   ` Tom Tromey
2015-10-19 18:06                                                                     ` David Kastrup
2015-10-20  2:46                                                                       ` Tom Tromey
2015-10-19  8:46                                                               ` David Kastrup
2015-10-19  9:39                                                                 ` Przemysław Wojnowski
2015-10-19  5:33                                                           ` Richard Stallman
2015-10-26 11:01                                                             ` Alexis
2015-10-18 19:16                                                       ` Taylan Ulrich Bayırlı/Kammer
2015-10-18 22:38                                                     ` Nicolas Petton
2015-10-20  7:34                                                       ` John Wiegley
2015-10-18 16:40                                           ` John Wiegley
2015-10-18 16:56                                             ` David Kastrup
2015-10-18 17:46                                               ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2015-10-19  7:45                                             ` Gian Uberto Lauri
2015-10-17 15:38                                 ` David Kastrup
2015-10-17 16:25                                   ` Taylan Ulrich Bayırlı/Kammer
2015-10-17 16:43                                     ` David Kastrup
2015-10-17 17:00                                       ` Taylan Ulrich Bayırlı/Kammer
2015-10-17 16:48                                     ` Eli Zaretskii
2015-10-17 17:03                                       ` Taylan Ulrich Bayırlı/Kammer
2015-10-17 17:08                                         ` David Kastrup
2015-10-17 17:10                                         ` Eli Zaretskii
2015-10-17 18:31                                           ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2015-10-17 17:04                                     ` David Kastrup
2015-10-17 17:32                                       ` Taylan Ulrich Bayırlı/Kammer
2015-10-17 17:42                                         ` David Kastrup
2015-10-17 18:34                                           ` Taylan Ulrich Bayırlı/Kammer
2015-10-17 19:15                                             ` Eli Zaretskii
2015-10-17 21:22                                               ` Taylan Ulrich Bayırlı/Kammer
2015-10-18  0:23                                                 ` John Wiegley
2015-10-18 15:53                           ` Richard Stallman
2015-10-18 16:58               ` Tom Tromey
2015-10-18 17:40                 ` John Wiegley
2015-10-18 19:40                   ` Eli Zaretskii
2015-10-18 20:47                     ` David Kastrup
2015-10-19  3:55                   ` Tom Tromey
2015-10-20  7:33                     ` John Wiegley
2015-10-12 19:43             ` Eli Zaretskii
2015-10-13  8:27               ` Przemysław Wojnowski
2015-10-13  8:52                 ` Gian Uberto Lauri
2015-10-13 10:19                 ` Tassilo Horn
2015-10-13 15:14                   ` Eli Zaretskii
2015-10-13 19:45                     ` Tassilo Horn
2015-10-13 15:05                 ` Eli Zaretskii
2015-10-13 16:09                   ` John Wiegley
2015-10-13 20:43                   ` Przemysław Wojnowski
2015-10-13 16:06                 ` John Wiegley
2015-10-13 20:20                   ` Przemysław Wojnowski
2015-10-13 21:22                     ` emacs IDE features (was: Emacs rewrite in a maintainable language) Andrés Ramírez
2015-10-13 22:13                       ` emacs IDE features John Wiegley
2015-10-14 11:11                         ` Phillip Lord
2015-10-16 23:13                           ` John Wiegley
2015-10-17  7:40                             ` Eli Zaretskii
2015-10-17 23:51                               ` John Wiegley
2015-10-18  0:48                                 ` Sacha Chua
2015-10-18  2:34                                   ` Xue Fuqiao
2015-10-18 17:05                                     ` Sacha Chua
2015-10-18 17:31                                       ` John Wiegley
2015-10-18 16:21                                   ` John Wiegley
2015-10-19 16:37                                   ` Christopher Allan Webber
2015-10-18 16:47                                 ` Eli Zaretskii
2015-10-18 17:30                                   ` John Wiegley
2015-10-19 10:30                             ` Phillip Lord
2015-10-20  6:56                               ` John Wiegley
2015-10-13 22:10                     ` Emacs rewrite in a maintainable language John Wiegley
2015-10-12 23:00             ` Camm Maguire
2015-10-13  1:38               ` Alexis
2015-10-13  1:40                 ` Daniel Colascione
2015-10-13 23:34             ` Richard Stallman
2015-10-13 23:55               ` John Wiegley
2015-10-13  5:28           ` Ken Raeburn
2015-10-13  5:39             ` John Wiegley
2015-10-13 10:13               ` David Kastrup
2015-10-14  1:43                 ` Daniel Colascione
2015-10-13  6:49             ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2015-10-12 13:50       ` David Kastrup
2015-10-12 15:17         ` Oleh Krehel
2015-10-12 15:35           ` David Kastrup
2015-10-12 16:29           ` Eli Zaretskii
2015-10-12 22:39           ` Paul Eggert
2015-10-13 11:27             ` Oleh Krehel
2015-10-13 11:46               ` Alan Mackenzie
2015-10-13 12:02                 ` Oleh Krehel
2015-10-13 12:21                   ` Alan Mackenzie
2015-10-13 12:22                   ` Mathieu Lirzin
2015-10-13 13:52                     ` John Yates
2015-10-13 14:30                       ` David Kastrup
2015-10-13 16:26                         ` Andreas Schwab
2015-10-13 16:40                           ` John Wiegley
2015-10-13 14:38                       ` Oleh Krehel
2015-10-13 13:06                   ` Sergey Organov
2015-10-13 14:19                     ` Artur Malabarba
2015-10-13 14:39                       ` David Kastrup
2015-10-13 15:21                         ` Artur Malabarba
2015-10-13 15:53                           ` David Kastrup
2015-10-13 16:09                             ` Oleh Krehel
2015-10-13 16:23                               ` David Kastrup
2015-10-13 16:31                               ` Eli Zaretskii
2015-10-13 16:38                                 ` David Kastrup
2015-10-13 15:21                 ` Eli Zaretskii
2015-10-13 15:42                   ` David Kastrup
2015-10-13 15:32               ` Paul Eggert
2015-10-13 16:13                 ` Oleh Krehel
2015-10-13 21:02                   ` Andy Moreton
2015-10-14  8:15                     ` Oleh Krehel
2015-10-14 13:28                       ` Andy Moreton
2015-10-14 16:18                       ` Eli Zaretskii
2015-10-14 10:22                     ` Przemysław Wojnowski
2015-10-14 10:56                       ` Tassilo Horn
2015-10-14 11:14                         ` Przemysław Wojnowski
2015-10-14 11:33                         ` Oleh Krehel
2015-10-14 12:12                           ` Tassilo Horn
2015-10-14 11:46                         ` David Kastrup
2015-10-14 12:29                           ` Tassilo Horn
2015-10-14 11:21                     ` Mathieu Lirzin
2015-10-14 16:05                     ` John Wiegley
2015-10-13 16:13               ` John Wiegley
2015-10-12 15:09       ` Paul Eggert
2015-10-12 15:24         ` David Kastrup
2015-10-12 15:24         ` Oleh Krehel
2015-10-12 16:31           ` Eli Zaretskii
2015-10-12 17:20         ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2015-10-13 12:02           ` Marcus Harnisch
2015-10-13 23:38             ` Richard Stallman
2015-10-14  1:46             ` Daniel Colascione
2015-10-14 13:08               ` Marcus Harnisch
2015-10-12 16:18       ` Eli Zaretskii
2015-10-12 17:47         ` Steinar Bang
2015-10-12 17:59           ` David Kastrup
2015-10-12 21:28       ` Daniel Colascione [this message]
2015-10-11 18:36   ` Przemysław Wojnowski

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