From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Dmitry Gutov Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: IDE Date: Sat, 10 Oct 2015 17:15:07 +0300 Message-ID: <56191D6B.8040405@yandex.ru> References: <5610207A.2000300@harpegolden.net> <83fv1r3gzp.fsf@gnu.org> <83bncf3f9k.fsf@gnu.org> <5610E0BC.8090902@online.de> <83si5r106e.fsf@gnu.org> <831td9z18h.fsf@gnu.org> <5612E996.7090700@yandex.ru> <83bnc7tavr.fsf@gnu.org> <5618C92A.3040207@yandex.ru> <83a8rrt9ag.fsf@gnu.org> <5618D376.1080700@yandex.ru> <831td3t62e.fsf@gnu.org> <5618E51D.4070800@yandex.ru> <83twpzrp05.fsf@gnu.org> <5618ED93.8000001@yandex.ru> <83lhbbrnn7.fsf@gnu.org> NNTP-Posting-Host: plane.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1444486527 20859 80.91.229.3 (10 Oct 2015 14:15:27 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 10 Oct 2015 14:15:27 +0000 (UTC) Cc: adatgyujto@gmail.com, emacs-devel@gnu.org To: Eli Zaretskii Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Sat Oct 10 16:15:24 2015 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by plane.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1Zkuvg-0004Lz-5T for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Sat, 10 Oct 2015 16:15:20 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:45036 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Zkuve-00029Y-Iy for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Sat, 10 Oct 2015 10:15:18 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:42301) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Zkuvb-00029S-PO for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sat, 10 Oct 2015 10:15:16 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1ZkuvW-0002mV-Po for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sat, 10 Oct 2015 10:15:15 -0400 Original-Received: from mail-wi0-x229.google.com ([2a00:1450:400c:c05::229]:35139) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1ZkuvW-0002mO-JO; Sat, 10 Oct 2015 10:15:10 -0400 Original-Received: by wicge5 with SMTP id ge5so101895559wic.0; Sat, 10 Oct 2015 07:15:09 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=sender:subject:to:references:cc:from:message-id:date:user-agent :mime-version:in-reply-to:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=lpbu+dSQL2PJ1/mX4R42LV0YbY8A5f0uQ5pEDol87E4=; b=WJ30jjxXjhRyRj9m3NWI7TeaQSVmOaoiclBwaKxir3XyfwSIUji5HZdk3kWOpjDijJ 5dbtvNmOt7L0xh/HQZ6Qms3JGYlH5Qxntk/eGj3oylDxpaA0klxO9HrLKWtC/jnC7ch8 9qd+5PK32ST8hZQHdKfSWEnlBSxlg2r2Bf9mjWXoSPDqKMz8Plz1OsW/9ZRehF+F7Wzi YFMMLjFKiT3Md4QZmoZwke1AGh7NuXYuMHnZLBzEgCByGXNsDlVbNKZJd0ZVwYHmDLnM 68YypiLt0TYsRVd3xhpX4zMUeHrO9g8M1AWlVwyyCLNzbCkKWRWrGILqAKD7c7idyOGv uWgQ== X-Received: by 10.180.103.167 with SMTP id fx7mr4562813wib.89.1444486509814; Sat, 10 Oct 2015 07:15:09 -0700 (PDT) Original-Received: from [10.9.0.103] (nat.webazilla.com. [78.140.128.228]) by smtp.googlemail.com with ESMTPSA id bh5sm8250513wjb.42.2015.10.10.07.15.08 (version=TLSv1.2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128/128); Sat, 10 Oct 2015 07:15:09 -0700 (PDT) User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:41.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/41.0 In-Reply-To: <83lhbbrnn7.fsf@gnu.org> X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: Error: Malformed IPv6 address (bad octet value). X-Received-From: 2a00:1450:400c:c05::229 X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:191140 Archived-At: On 10/10/2015 02:03 PM, Eli Zaretskii wrote: > Are you saying that high-level design is generally not useful, and > should be avoided, unless "justified"? A justification would further the discussion. Simply asking for a big design, doesn't. >> If Company's tooltip is not pleasant, what would be pleasant for >> you? > > I just gave you 2 examples. You didn't explain how they are better. > And it's not really about me, it's about the expectations of users out > there. Don't they expect something they see elsewhere? Sometimes. A common question is for a popup that doesn't conflict with other packages that use overlay rendering for other things. Did you also mean this aspect?