all messages for Emacs-related lists mirrored at yhetil.org
 help / color / mirror / code / Atom feed
From: "Andreas Röhler" <andreas.roehler@easy-emacs.de>
To: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org
Cc: Stefan Monnier <monnier@iro.umontreal.ca>
Subject: Re: `looking-back' strange warning
Date: Fri, 02 Oct 2015 08:16:53 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <560E2155.7060401@easy-emacs.de> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <4e720684-b2cf-4e74-be53-a20208f94328@default>


Am 02.10.2015 um 07:12 schrieb Drew Adams:
>> Making it optional Encourages people to think that looking-at is just
>> like looking-back, with the same performance characteristic,
> Clarifying such things is what doc is for.  (Yes, and even
> sometimes byte-compiler messages.)
>
>> whereas making it mandatory encourages people to put a
>> reasonable limit and hence avoid pathological behavior
>> at the end of large buffers.
> But you have _not_ made it mandatory.  Have you?
>
> And yet you issue a "warning" saying that it is mandatory
> (or whatever "2-3 required" arguments is supposed to mean).
> False alarm.  (Circulez ; il n'y a rien a voir.)
>
> There are many, many "best practices" that are handled
> normally by documenting them, including many, many that
> involve far more serious consequences than a slowdown from
> leaving off a LIMIT argument for `looking-back'.  Really.
>
> Programmers are used to such notes.  And even much more
> important performance (and correctness and completeness)
> guidelines are not blown out of proportion and dressed up
> as phony "warnings".
>
> (This "M'as-tu vu ?!!" is the equivalent of a flashy 1995
> web page with loads of revolving animated GIFs.  Another
> distraction in a sea of distraction.)
>
> Not a big deal in any case, on its own.  But symptomatic
> of a misguided approach to communicating such helpful
> but non-critical info to users.
>
> Sprinkling "**WARNING!!!**" everywhere, for even the
> slightest bits of notable information, dilutes what real
> warnings are about.  It decreases the signal-to-noise
> ratio, and just "encourages" people to ignore such
> messages altogether, which is not helpful and no doubt
> not what was intended.
>

Thanks Drew, that's it.

Stefan, that's bad gouvernants style. What about "respect users freedom" 
and blah?




  reply	other threads:[~2015-10-02  6:16 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 45+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2015-09-30  8:25 `looking-back' strange warning Andreas Röhler
2015-10-01  6:20 ` Michael Heerdegen
2015-10-01  6:25 ` Tassilo Horn
2015-10-01  6:50 ` Dmitry Gutov
2015-10-01  7:49   ` Andreas Röhler
2015-10-01  8:20     ` Tassilo Horn
2015-10-01  8:46       ` Andreas Röhler
2015-10-01  9:29         ` Tassilo Horn
2015-10-02  0:10       ` Stefan Monnier
2015-10-02 15:21         ` Tassilo Horn
2015-10-01 16:00   ` Drew Adams
2015-10-01 17:56     ` Dmitry Gutov
2015-10-01 18:24       ` Andreas Röhler
2015-10-01 18:59         ` Dmitry Gutov
2015-10-01 19:55           ` Andreas Röhler
2015-10-01 20:26             ` Dmitry Gutov
2015-10-02  0:15             ` Stefan Monnier
2015-10-02  1:18               ` Michael Heerdegen
2015-10-02  5:13                 ` Drew Adams
2015-10-02 20:28                   ` Drew Adams
2015-10-02 20:59                     ` Tassilo Horn
2015-10-02 21:35                       ` Drew Adams
2015-10-03  6:26                         ` Tassilo Horn
2015-10-03  6:45                           ` Andreas Röhler
2015-10-03 15:20                             ` Drew Adams
2015-10-03 15:17                           ` Drew Adams
2015-10-02  1:19               ` Michael Heerdegen
2015-10-02  5:12               ` Drew Adams
2015-10-02  6:16                 ` Andreas Röhler [this message]
2015-10-02  6:36                   ` Michael Heerdegen
2015-10-02 12:46                 ` Stefan Monnier
2015-10-02 15:02                   ` Drew Adams
2015-10-02 19:08               ` Tom Tromey
2015-10-02 19:33                 ` Stefan Monnier
2015-10-03 18:11                   ` Stefan Monnier
     [not found]   ` <mailman.176.1443721449.16064.help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org>
2015-10-01 18:50     ` Barry Margolin
     [not found]     ` <<barmar-D40496.14502501102015@88-209-239-213.giganet.hu>
2015-10-01 23:42       ` Drew Adams
2015-10-02  0:12         ` Stefan Monnier
2015-10-02  5:10           ` Drew Adams
2015-10-02 12:48             ` Stefan Monnier
2015-10-02 15:03               ` Drew Adams
2015-10-02 15:21                 ` Stefan Monnier
2015-10-02 15:24                   ` Drew Adams
2015-10-02 19:28                     ` Stefan Monnier
2015-10-01 12:35 ` Artur Malabarba
     [not found] <<560B9C7F.2060301@easy-emacs.de>

Reply instructions:

You may reply publicly to this message via plain-text email
using any one of the following methods:

* Save the following mbox file, import it into your mail client,
  and reply-to-all from there: mbox

  Avoid top-posting and favor interleaved quoting:
  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Posting_style#Interleaved_style

* Reply using the --to, --cc, and --in-reply-to
  switches of git-send-email(1):

  git send-email \
    --in-reply-to=560E2155.7060401@easy-emacs.de \
    --to=andreas.roehler@easy-emacs.de \
    --cc=help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org \
    --cc=monnier@iro.umontreal.ca \
    /path/to/YOUR_REPLY

  https://kernel.org/pub/software/scm/git/docs/git-send-email.html

* If your mail client supports setting the In-Reply-To header
  via mailto: links, try the mailto: link
Be sure your reply has a Subject: header at the top and a blank line before the message body.
Code repositories for project(s) associated with this external index

	https://git.savannah.gnu.org/cgit/emacs.git
	https://git.savannah.gnu.org/cgit/emacs/org-mode.git

This is an external index of several public inboxes,
see mirroring instructions on how to clone and mirror
all data and code used by this external index.