From: "Andreas Röhler" <andreas.roehler@easy-emacs.de>
To: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org
Cc: Stefan Monnier <monnier@iro.umontreal.ca>
Subject: Re: `looking-back' strange warning
Date: Fri, 02 Oct 2015 08:16:53 +0200 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <560E2155.7060401@easy-emacs.de> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <4e720684-b2cf-4e74-be53-a20208f94328@default>
Am 02.10.2015 um 07:12 schrieb Drew Adams:
>> Making it optional Encourages people to think that looking-at is just
>> like looking-back, with the same performance characteristic,
> Clarifying such things is what doc is for. (Yes, and even
> sometimes byte-compiler messages.)
>
>> whereas making it mandatory encourages people to put a
>> reasonable limit and hence avoid pathological behavior
>> at the end of large buffers.
> But you have _not_ made it mandatory. Have you?
>
> And yet you issue a "warning" saying that it is mandatory
> (or whatever "2-3 required" arguments is supposed to mean).
> False alarm. (Circulez ; il n'y a rien a voir.)
>
> There are many, many "best practices" that are handled
> normally by documenting them, including many, many that
> involve far more serious consequences than a slowdown from
> leaving off a LIMIT argument for `looking-back'. Really.
>
> Programmers are used to such notes. And even much more
> important performance (and correctness and completeness)
> guidelines are not blown out of proportion and dressed up
> as phony "warnings".
>
> (This "M'as-tu vu ?!!" is the equivalent of a flashy 1995
> web page with loads of revolving animated GIFs. Another
> distraction in a sea of distraction.)
>
> Not a big deal in any case, on its own. But symptomatic
> of a misguided approach to communicating such helpful
> but non-critical info to users.
>
> Sprinkling "**WARNING!!!**" everywhere, for even the
> slightest bits of notable information, dilutes what real
> warnings are about. It decreases the signal-to-noise
> ratio, and just "encourages" people to ignore such
> messages altogether, which is not helpful and no doubt
> not what was intended.
>
Thanks Drew, that's it.
Stefan, that's bad gouvernants style. What about "respect users freedom"
and blah?
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2015-10-02 6:16 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 45+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2015-09-30 8:25 `looking-back' strange warning Andreas Röhler
2015-10-01 6:20 ` Michael Heerdegen
2015-10-01 6:25 ` Tassilo Horn
2015-10-01 6:50 ` Dmitry Gutov
2015-10-01 7:49 ` Andreas Röhler
2015-10-01 8:20 ` Tassilo Horn
2015-10-01 8:46 ` Andreas Röhler
2015-10-01 9:29 ` Tassilo Horn
2015-10-02 0:10 ` Stefan Monnier
2015-10-02 15:21 ` Tassilo Horn
2015-10-01 16:00 ` Drew Adams
2015-10-01 17:56 ` Dmitry Gutov
2015-10-01 18:24 ` Andreas Röhler
2015-10-01 18:59 ` Dmitry Gutov
2015-10-01 19:55 ` Andreas Röhler
2015-10-01 20:26 ` Dmitry Gutov
2015-10-02 0:15 ` Stefan Monnier
2015-10-02 1:18 ` Michael Heerdegen
2015-10-02 5:13 ` Drew Adams
2015-10-02 20:28 ` Drew Adams
2015-10-02 20:59 ` Tassilo Horn
2015-10-02 21:35 ` Drew Adams
2015-10-03 6:26 ` Tassilo Horn
2015-10-03 6:45 ` Andreas Röhler
2015-10-03 15:20 ` Drew Adams
2015-10-03 15:17 ` Drew Adams
2015-10-02 1:19 ` Michael Heerdegen
2015-10-02 5:12 ` Drew Adams
2015-10-02 6:16 ` Andreas Röhler [this message]
2015-10-02 6:36 ` Michael Heerdegen
2015-10-02 12:46 ` Stefan Monnier
2015-10-02 15:02 ` Drew Adams
2015-10-02 19:08 ` Tom Tromey
2015-10-02 19:33 ` Stefan Monnier
2015-10-03 18:11 ` Stefan Monnier
[not found] ` <mailman.176.1443721449.16064.help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org>
2015-10-01 18:50 ` Barry Margolin
[not found] ` <<barmar-D40496.14502501102015@88-209-239-213.giganet.hu>
2015-10-01 23:42 ` Drew Adams
2015-10-02 0:12 ` Stefan Monnier
2015-10-02 5:10 ` Drew Adams
2015-10-02 12:48 ` Stefan Monnier
2015-10-02 15:03 ` Drew Adams
2015-10-02 15:21 ` Stefan Monnier
2015-10-02 15:24 ` Drew Adams
2015-10-02 19:28 ` Stefan Monnier
2015-10-01 12:35 ` Artur Malabarba
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