From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Dmitry Gutov Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: RCS, again: another removed functionality: undo last-checkin Date: Thu, 1 Oct 2015 23:22:40 +0300 Message-ID: <560D9610.3090305@yandex.ru> References: <87oagx6tzz.fsf@mat.ucm.es> <55FF4026.2050004@yandex.ru> <83si68nu4i.fsf@gnu.org> <87eghsfd3m.fsf@fencepost.gnu.org> <83k2rknr2c.fsf@gnu.org> <87mvwellmg.fsf@uwakimon.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp> <56023A6C.3020302@yandex.ru> <5602BE3E.1050009@yandex.ru> <5602C4DE.8020105@yandex.ru> <560B4899.2070708@yandex.ru> <83wpv8be0x.fsf@gnu.org> <83mvw4b871.fsf@gnu.org> <560BC90B.1040902@yandex.ru> <83eghgatxa.fsf@gnu.org> <560C9BB7.2070408@yandex.ru> <83wpv79iel.fsf@gnu.org> <560D8CD8.7080307@yandex.ru> <83eghe8ini.fsf@gnu.org> <560D9236.6020008@yandex.ru> <83d1wy8i27.fsf@gnu.org> NNTP-Posting-Host: plane.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1443730983 10812 80.91.229.3 (1 Oct 2015 20:23:03 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 1 Oct 2015 20:23:03 +0000 (UTC) Cc: stephen@xemacs.org, dak@gnu.org, emacs-devel@gnu.org, monnier@iro.umontreal.ca, rms@gnu.org To: Eli Zaretskii Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Thu Oct 01 22:22:58 2015 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by plane.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1ZhkNQ-0005p9-Jr for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Thu, 01 Oct 2015 22:22:52 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:56112 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1ZhkNP-0001vL-Qw for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Thu, 01 Oct 2015 16:22:51 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:41030) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1ZhkNL-0001ur-Rl for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 01 Oct 2015 16:22:48 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1ZhkNI-0007Ng-Pw for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 01 Oct 2015 16:22:47 -0400 Original-Received: from mail-wi0-x234.google.com ([2a00:1450:400c:c05::234]:36995) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1ZhkNI-0007NB-JR; Thu, 01 Oct 2015 16:22:44 -0400 Original-Received: by wicfx3 with SMTP id fx3so5352911wic.0; Thu, 01 Oct 2015 13:22:44 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=sender:subject:to:references:cc:from:message-id:date:user-agent :mime-version:in-reply-to:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=gtvXxJbdlXJwT9mmHG6LuPKCdozdkJ2pl+brp2Qr0A8=; b=e1+R+5hyes9Q/xoy3S96F66Vp+s0bm96CxrYl0R97thmJydaauR4/l0c4wFGrDI53F XL58/OoBsdYgI6omk35qb91ASHzsei5JQ+bjclsQgYoeHclLvuGHUoGCbUPx6aMsXAmW BzPOA8L7OrpYLzJHl+ThtYRZH69QR5+FMMw1JO+iFa9RSbP4pB6zJsiVxZqL2odSA/Xp MSOdb5YQLwBqI+mEwUoKxpkjzD15qGETuz0LjGk+Rg+n1t97xaScZNdDsnalyJ+bcP05 4FdRuN3lUEwIbS4JEw+VWbLMsYIjO1Arh8nNAWZrWZ9u1P1hOjhj4+Y72gt2FcK8xDCi hQlw== X-Received: by 10.194.143.102 with SMTP id sd6mr14307292wjb.15.1443730963932; Thu, 01 Oct 2015 13:22:43 -0700 (PDT) Original-Received: from [10.9.0.103] (nat.webazilla.com. [78.140.128.228]) by smtp.googlemail.com with ESMTPSA id t7sm4897626wia.9.2015.10.01.13.22.42 (version=TLSv1.2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128/128); Thu, 01 Oct 2015 13:22:42 -0700 (PDT) User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:41.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/41.0 In-Reply-To: <83d1wy8i27.fsf@gnu.org> X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: Error: Malformed IPv6 address (bad octet value). X-Received-From: 2a00:1450:400c:c05::234 X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:190594 Archived-At: On 10/01/2015 11:12 PM, Eli Zaretskii wrote: >> It's not hard, it's harder. Again, if `vc-commit' is going to be the >> preferred command, it should use the better binding. > > The difference is too small to justify breaking old habits, IMO. I would rather work on something else than end up with a suboptimal solution. But we don't need to introduce it in Emacs 25, I was going to delay this until after the next release anyway. > No, I would prefer that you'd be more willing to compromise at times. At times, I am, but not in this instance. And Stefan also stated the preference for vc-next-action to go away. > I described up-thread what I had in mind in more detail: a CVS-like > workflow. Please link to that message. But if we were to do that, what's the need for vc-commit? >>> If by "locking VCS" you mean RCS, then I use it from time to time. >> >> Could you answer that question, then? > > I thought I already did: I always use RCS for files I maintain myself, > so other users are not involved, and locking is a no-op. So, would you say that support for locking is not important anymore? Or should we ask someone else? If you'd like the support for locking to stay (and not only as a part of an obsolete vc-next-action without binding), could you poll some other users with the same question?