From: "Andreas Röhler" <andreas.roehler@online.de>
To: emacs-devel@gnu.org
Cc: Eli Zaretskii <eliz@gnu.org>
Subject: Re: burden of maintainance
Date: Thu, 01 Oct 2015 22:18:16 +0200 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <560D9508.2060209@online.de> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <83lhbm8kye.fsf@gnu.org>
Am 01.10.2015 um 21:09 schrieb Eli Zaretskii:
>> Date: Thu, 01 Oct 2015 20:46:15 +0200
>> From: Andreas Röhler <andreas.roehler@online.de>
>> CC: Eli Zaretskii <eliz@gnu.org>
>>
>>> Suggestions for how to improve our test suite without alienating
>>> potential contributors are welcome.
>> What about saying: no checkin before the tests passed?
> That is OK, but what to do if some tests fail for many moons before
> they are fixed? We cannot stop development because of that.
Let's understand tests as valid ones and checkins as non-trivial.
It would suffice to put intelligent test-writing into the focus - where
it's not yet or not yet to extend it deserves.
>
>> Coverage and quality of tests should be an integral part of developing.
> That's the hard part. Our current coverage is quite low (my
> impression; it would be good to have some tool that can measure
> that). Worse, for interactive features (and there are a lot of them),
> we lack the infrastructure for writing automated tests.
Let's note that.
> Also, I don't
> quite see who will write tests for large portions of the C code, given
> how few people are even prepared to work on that.
Estimating one hour invested in writing the right tests might save
ten-fold or more of development time afterwards.
> The result is that
> getting closer to good coverage is a huge job.
>
>> WRT to maintainance there are also redundancy, complexity which might be
>> worked on.
> Alas, there are wildly different views on what is and isn't complex.
>
>> Keeping an eye at the number of symbols - too many blow up the language,
>> make in harder for beginners than needed.
> Which symbols did you have in mind?
>
>
>
Not a special one at the moment. Just got the feeling the collection of
used symbols were growing and growing last years.
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2015-10-01 20:18 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 42+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2015-10-01 8:10 burden of maintainance Andreas Röhler
2015-10-01 16:03 ` Eli Zaretskii
2015-10-01 18:46 ` Andreas Röhler
2015-10-01 19:09 ` Eli Zaretskii
2015-10-01 20:18 ` Andreas Röhler [this message]
2015-10-01 20:27 ` Eli Zaretskii
2015-10-02 13:54 ` Przemysław Wojnowski
2015-10-02 14:15 ` Eli Zaretskii
2015-10-02 17:18 ` Tassilo Horn
2015-10-02 18:24 ` Eli Zaretskii
2015-10-02 18:47 ` joakim
2015-10-02 19:16 ` Tassilo Horn
2015-10-02 20:53 ` Eli Zaretskii
2015-10-02 19:28 ` Chad Brown
2015-10-02 7:51 ` Helmut Eller
2015-10-02 8:47 ` Eli Zaretskii
2015-10-02 8:56 ` Helmut Eller
2015-10-02 8:59 ` Eli Zaretskii
2015-10-02 11:46 ` Michael Albinus
2015-10-02 11:58 ` Phillip Lord
2015-10-02 13:14 ` Artur Malabarba
2015-10-02 13:36 ` Eli Zaretskii
2015-10-02 15:00 ` Andreas Röhler
2015-10-02 15:16 ` Eli Zaretskii
2015-10-02 17:19 ` Andreas Röhler
2015-10-02 18:08 ` Eli Zaretskii
2015-10-02 18:54 ` Andreas Röhler
2015-10-02 20:39 ` Tassilo Horn
2015-10-03 6:53 ` Andreas Röhler
2015-10-03 7:31 ` Tassilo Horn
2015-10-03 1:38 ` Richard Stallman
2015-10-03 0:38 ` Eric Ludlam
2015-10-02 23:24 ` Xue Fuqiao
2015-10-03 6:42 ` Przemysław Wojnowski
2015-10-03 7:00 ` Xue Fuqiao
2015-10-03 7:15 ` Eli Zaretskii
2015-10-01 16:34 ` Przemysław Wojnowski
2015-10-02 11:25 ` Phillip Lord
2015-10-02 12:27 ` Michael Albinus
2015-10-02 14:53 ` Phillip Lord
2015-10-02 16:56 ` Michael Albinus
2015-10-03 1:35 ` Richard Stallman
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