From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Dmitry Gutov Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Explicit encoding cookie in Elisp files Add prettify-symbols-alist for js-mode Date: Tue, 29 Sep 2015 01:54:19 +0300 Message-ID: <5609C51B.3050706@yandex.ru> References: <1443268188.7436.0@smtp.gmail.com> <834mihgvb9.fsf@gnu.org> <1443283198.7442.0@smtp.gmail.com> <56074E0F.6060209@yandex.ru> <83r3lkfleu.fsf@gnu.org> <560788DB.6000104@yandex.ru> <83oagofhhi.fsf@gnu.org> <5607A721.2020002@yandex.ru> <83h9mgfe78.fsf@gnu.org> <5607ADCC.8080407@yandex.ru> <83d1x4fabf.fsf@gnu.org> <5607F919.9090600@yandex.ru> <831tdjg14c.fsf@gnu.org> <56083FD0.4020501@yandex.ru> <83y4frejbu.fsf@gnu.org> <56084F04.2040501@yandex.ru> <83vbavefup.fsf@gnu.org> <5608BF16.2020605@yandex.ru> <83oagndmva.fsf@gnu.org> <5608F1FC.8090904@yandex.ru> <83k2rbdk8u.fsf@gnu.org> NNTP-Posting-Host: plane.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1443495983 3958 80.91.229.3 (29 Sep 2015 03:06:23 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 29 Sep 2015 03:06:23 +0000 (UTC) Cc: emacs-devel@gnu.org To: Eli Zaretskii Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Tue Sep 29 05:06:22 2015 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by plane.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1ZglFG-0006cc-CE for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Tue, 29 Sep 2015 05:06:22 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:44328 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1ZglFF-0002XS-JR for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Mon, 28 Sep 2015 23:06:21 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:37035) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1ZghJd-0000nD-7j for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 28 Sep 2015 18:54:38 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1ZghJa-000202-0W for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 28 Sep 2015 18:54:37 -0400 Original-Received: from mail-wi0-x22f.google.com ([2a00:1450:400c:c05::22f]:38019) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1ZghJZ-0001ze-Qw; Mon, 28 Sep 2015 18:54:33 -0400 Original-Received: by wiclk2 with SMTP id lk2so121935508wic.1; Mon, 28 Sep 2015 15:54:33 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=sender:subject:to:references:cc:from:message-id:date:user-agent :mime-version:in-reply-to:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=CrCfSoGsB+gyryubV3M5dVBfuyVjhy7RXA1hd+4mr4I=; b=gx/6QOoqU8TkOyJWL8a3eEpVYErPzFQ8ssXCn+OdF3dzNOpvgq+EAY8Vt5EAlpjSv9 MxBz74NCn9hyRll8APjpkmykuq8Y6dMnfcR44yscqrBgidu+sE7jC64g3j1/jYyX1J9C WWG47R1OedCjMbmpkHQVK0mJ2w6ieYdpom9QNztQh0m0TggcLUYABtsB6JI8rgjwMQ+5 PAWlJwrW6Su/D6kBH4ggWSTNdvK1IDp1xB0/12coPiLTUPM9EWDXtRDvyALFobp7k3lU C6uhvT+3N2aHdawrYY4wJ3Glg61S0uVeZsxDZytxzqxTqdNV7YuLVJt5a3iZowjxc5ke mjPA== X-Received: by 10.180.107.102 with SMTP id hb6mr19533737wib.37.1443480873028; Mon, 28 Sep 2015 15:54:33 -0700 (PDT) Original-Received: from [10.9.0.103] (nat.webazilla.com. [78.140.128.228]) by smtp.googlemail.com with ESMTPSA id gh9sm20625008wjb.27.2015.09.28.15.54.31 (version=TLSv1.2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128/128); Mon, 28 Sep 2015 15:54:31 -0700 (PDT) User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:41.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/41.0 In-Reply-To: <83k2rbdk8u.fsf@gnu.org> X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: Error: Malformed IPv6 address (bad octet value). X-Received-From: 2a00:1450:400c:c05::22f X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:190467 Archived-At: On 09/28/2015 11:24 AM, Eli Zaretskii wrote: > Of course. But I still routinely work on systems where 23.2 is the > latest installed version, and I'm a simple user there, so I cannot > upgrade that. Hopefully, you don't have to work on Emacs too much in those conditions. > I did what I did semi-automatically because we were doing that for > years. I didn't even remember that we default to UTF-8 in *.el files > until Stefan reminded me. Why? because we never bothered to remove > the cookies after we made that change, nor stop producing them in > auto-generated *.el files. Cookies still make sense in loaddefs, because those are created inside .emacs.d/elpa as well. > Inconsistency? Yes, I dislike it, but I dislike discrimination and > lack of fair play even more. Ok, I've removed most of those old occurrences too, so that the tiny new commit doesn't feel too discriminated against. Hopefully, it won't cause significant difficulties on your systems with Emacs 23.2. I didn't touch Org, Gnus, CC Mode, Tramp and loaddefs files. As well as the directories leim, language and international, because those are terrifying. > Once again, you are blowing out of proportion a minor issue. It lacks > any potential for any kind of grave consequences, so far-fetched Analogies sometimes get exaggerated for clarity. Note that "desugaring" in the presented analogy doesn't have any "grave consequences" either. It's a pretty safe operation, all in all. > Judging by the energy invested in this discussion, I don't think we > should lack manpower/enthusiasm to fix the issue consistently, only > redirect it. Assuming, that is, that the issue is indeed the cookies > themselves. My issue was with the proposed change in the workflow for new contributions. But I hope you're okay with the result. > Then why did you want to revert db828f6? It seems to be a fitting conclusion for this discussion, that's all.