From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Paul Eggert Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: [Emacs-diffs] master db828f6: Don't rely on defaults in decoding UTF-8 encoded Lisp files Date: Sun, 27 Sep 2015 01:29:57 -0700 Organization: UCLA Computer Science Department Message-ID: <5607A905.3030501@cs.ucla.edu> References: <20150921165211.20434.28114@vcs.savannah.gnu.org> <83fv27mt7r.fsf@gnu.org> <83wpvfix7i.fsf@gnu.org> <83fv23hr0z.fsf@gnu.org> <5605CB6B.4000102@cs.ucla.edu> <83twqhhf0g.fsf@gnu.org> <5606AC48.7090801@cs.ucla.edu> <83zj09fbzp.fsf@gnu.org> <5606C140.6090309@cs.ucla.edu> <878u7trwlb.fsf@fencepost.gnu.org> <5606E995.2000102@cs.ucla.edu> <83si61ezxd.fsf@gnu.org> <2FCA0DAD-831B-4B0A-B948-9F31DE52B6F0@gmail.com> <87twqgrgtv.fsf@fencepost.gnu.org> <56077423.6030800@cs.ucla.edu> <83lhbsfgzs.fsf@gnu.org> <5607A028.90807@cs.ucla.edu> <83k2rcffwe.fsf@gnu.org> NNTP-Posting-Host: plane.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1443342625 12983 80.91.229.3 (27 Sep 2015 08:30:25 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 27 Sep 2015 08:30:25 +0000 (UTC) Cc: dak@gnu.org, emacs-devel@gnu.org To: Eli Zaretskii Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Sun Sep 27 10:30:17 2015 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by plane.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1Zg7La-0000m0-6b for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Sun, 27 Sep 2015 10:30:14 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:56562 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Zg7LU-0007fk-LM for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Sun, 27 Sep 2015 04:30:08 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:58184) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Zg7LR-0007eP-JU for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 27 Sep 2015 04:30:06 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Zg7LQ-00063V-SM for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 27 Sep 2015 04:30:05 -0400 Original-Received: from zimbra.cs.ucla.edu ([131.179.128.68]:35938) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Zg7LL-0005tU-Pn; Sun, 27 Sep 2015 04:29:59 -0400 Original-Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zimbra.cs.ucla.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 502531611D9; Sun, 27 Sep 2015 01:29:59 -0700 (PDT) Original-Received: from zimbra.cs.ucla.edu ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (zimbra.cs.ucla.edu [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10032) with ESMTP id Y3zL5jFWiq61; Sun, 27 Sep 2015 01:29:58 -0700 (PDT) Original-Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zimbra.cs.ucla.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 49A031611DA; Sun, 27 Sep 2015 01:29:58 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at zimbra.cs.ucla.edu Original-Received: from zimbra.cs.ucla.edu ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (zimbra.cs.ucla.edu [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10026) with ESMTP id 0T_EMeT7q7W4; Sun, 27 Sep 2015 01:29:58 -0700 (PDT) Original-Received: from [192.168.1.9] (pool-100-32-155-148.lsanca.fios.verizon.net [100.32.155.148]) by zimbra.cs.ucla.edu (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 29BAB1611C1; Sun, 27 Sep 2015 01:29:58 -0700 (PDT) User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:38.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/38.2.0 In-Reply-To: <83k2rcffwe.fsf@gnu.org> X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 3.x X-Received-From: 131.179.128.68 X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:190389 Archived-At: Eli Zaretskii wrote: > If > that's portability between locales, then our solution of having a > coding cookie is better for Emacs, because it supports more use cases > than just assuming UTF-8 would. Sure, but the point is that we shouldn't need a cookie for UTF-8. Cookies are awkward, and should be inserted only when needed; they shouldn't be needed for the typical case.