From: Paul Eggert <eggert@cs.ucla.edu>
To: Eli Zaretskii <eliz@gnu.org>
Cc: dak@gnu.org, monnier@iro.umontreal.ca, emacs-devel@gnu.org
Subject: Re: [Emacs-diffs] master db828f6: Don't rely on defaults in decoding UTF-8 encoded Lisp files
Date: Sun, 27 Sep 2015 01:22:48 -0700 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <5607A758.4020205@cs.ucla.edu> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <83pp14fhj5.fsf@gnu.org>
Eli Zaretskii wrote:
> I've also looked at the *.po files in the latest releases of GNU Make,
> Gawk, Texinfo, and Binutils, and I find that between 20% and 25% of
> such files still use non-UTF-8 encodings.
Yes, and those files are a pain to look at with Emacs now, since it typically
misguesses their encodings. Presumably Emacs should be looking at .po files'
charset= decorations.
What's likely happening with those files is that they were originally created
long ago in an 8-bit locale, and nobody has bothered to update their encodings
since then. Many of the files haven't been changed in ages (about half of them
have revision dates before 2010), and of course the older files will prefer
legacy encodings. These older files are not a particularly good match for text
that people edit today.
> while I agree with you that UTF-8 encoded files are the majority
> among non-ASCII files (and Emacs development aligns itself with that
> fact very well), the non-UTF-8 minority, even in the Posix world, is
> still significant enough, and we cannot possibly ignore it.
Naturally we cannot ignore it. All I'm suggesting is that we change the default
behavior so that it's more UTF-8 friendly, since that's the way the world is
going. The old Emacs behavior should still be available, for people who need it.
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[not found] ` <E1Ze4K3-0005KC-5U@vcs.savannah.gnu.org>
2015-09-21 19:57 ` [Emacs-diffs] master db828f6: Don't rely on defaults in decoding UTF-8 encoded Lisp files Stefan Monnier
2015-09-21 20:07 ` Eli Zaretskii
2015-09-24 16:44 ` Eli Zaretskii
2015-09-24 21:29 ` Stefan Monnier
2015-09-25 7:55 ` Eli Zaretskii
2015-09-25 12:21 ` Stefan Monnier
2015-09-25 13:37 ` Eli Zaretskii
2015-09-25 22:32 ` Paul Eggert
2015-09-26 6:27 ` Eli Zaretskii
2015-09-26 6:32 ` Eli Zaretskii
2015-09-26 14:31 ` Paul Eggert
2015-09-26 15:15 ` Eli Zaretskii
2015-09-26 16:01 ` Paul Eggert
2015-09-26 16:09 ` David Kastrup
2015-09-26 17:26 ` Eli Zaretskii
2015-09-26 18:53 ` Paul Eggert
2015-09-26 19:35 ` Eli Zaretskii
2015-09-26 20:26 ` Chad Brown
2015-09-26 21:50 ` David Kastrup
2015-09-27 4:44 ` Paul Eggert
2015-09-27 5:29 ` David Kastrup
2015-09-27 7:38 ` Paul Eggert
2015-09-27 7:46 ` David Kastrup
2015-09-27 7:52 ` Paul Eggert
2015-09-27 9:47 ` Andreas Schwab
2015-09-27 9:54 ` David Kastrup
2015-09-27 10:03 ` Andreas Schwab
2015-09-27 10:12 ` David Kastrup
2015-09-27 11:10 ` Andreas Schwab
2015-09-27 22:48 ` Richard Stallman
2015-09-28 2:41 ` Paul Eggert
2015-09-28 6:53 ` Eli Zaretskii
2015-09-28 15:08 ` Paul Eggert
2015-09-28 15:58 ` Eli Zaretskii
2015-09-27 7:39 ` Eli Zaretskii
2015-09-27 7:52 ` Paul Eggert
2015-09-27 8:00 ` David Kastrup
2015-09-27 8:03 ` Eli Zaretskii
2015-09-27 8:29 ` Paul Eggert
2015-09-27 8:37 ` David Kastrup
2015-09-27 8:40 ` Paul Eggert
2015-09-27 8:50 ` David Kastrup
2015-09-27 10:14 ` Eli Zaretskii
2015-09-27 8:57 ` Eli Zaretskii
2015-09-27 7:34 ` Eli Zaretskii
2015-09-27 16:03 ` Chad Brown
2015-09-27 18:41 ` Eli Zaretskii
2015-09-27 19:52 ` Chad Brown
2015-09-27 20:52 ` Eli Zaretskii
2015-09-26 20:32 ` Paul Eggert
2015-09-27 7:27 ` Eli Zaretskii
2015-09-27 7:42 ` David Kastrup
2015-09-27 9:20 ` Rustom Mody
2015-09-27 10:13 ` Eli Zaretskii
2015-09-27 20:21 ` Paul Eggert
2015-09-27 21:04 ` Eli Zaretskii
2015-09-27 8:22 ` Paul Eggert [this message]
2015-09-27 8:55 ` Eli Zaretskii
2015-09-27 9:56 ` Andreas Schwab
2015-09-27 10:04 ` David Kastrup
2015-09-27 10:16 ` Eli Zaretskii
2015-09-27 10:36 ` Eli Zaretskii
2015-09-27 10:59 ` Eli Zaretskii
2015-09-27 20:05 ` Paul Eggert
2015-09-26 17:25 ` Eli Zaretskii
2015-09-26 18:51 ` Paul Eggert
2015-09-27 0:12 ` stephen
2015-09-27 4:44 ` Paul Eggert
2015-09-27 6:20 ` stephen
2015-09-27 8:34 ` Paul Eggert
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