From: Paul Eggert <eggert@cs.ucla.edu>
To: David Kastrup <dak@gnu.org>
Cc: Eli Zaretskii <eliz@gnu.org>,
monnier@iro.umontreal.ca, emacs-devel@gnu.org
Subject: Re: [Emacs-diffs] master db828f6: Don't rely on defaults in decoding UTF-8 encoded Lisp files
Date: Sat, 26 Sep 2015 11:53:09 -0700 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <5606E995.2000102@cs.ucla.edu> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <878u7trwlb.fsf@fencepost.gnu.org>
David Kastrup wrote:
> How frequent are you reading Hebrew, Arabic, Chinese, Japanese, and
> Korean texts? How relevant is your experience?
Hebrew, not so much -- Eli has far more experience with that. Arabic I was just
reading last week (not natively; I use a translator). This week I was reading a
lot of Turkish. In all cases I was looking at text prepared by others. In all
cases my sources used UTF-8 -- not due to my influence, but because that's
what's typical these days.
In my previous job I routinely had to deal with CJK text, and did so with lots
of different encodings, including monstrosities such as DBCS-Host that Emacs
doesn't even support. So my experience is reasonably good in this area --
better than the average random hacker anyway. If you go back 20 years,
non-UTF-8 encodings such as Shift-JIS and EUC were by far the most popular in
Japan. Nowadays? Sure, Shift-JIS and EUC are still used, but they're going
downhill. Of the top 20 web sites in Japan (according to Alexa), 18 use UTF-8,
one uses Shift-JIS, and one uses EUC on their home pages. In the w3techs survey
of world web sites, 85% use UTF-8; the second most-popular encoding, ISO-8859-1,
is at only 7.5%, and it's that high only because the old HTML standard made
ISO-8859-1 the default.
So in practice, defaulting to UTF-8 is quite a good choice nowadays. Of course
if we can get the proper encoding from the document or its envelope we should
prefer that, and that should let us deal with web documents and email.
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[not found] ` <E1Ze4K3-0005KC-5U@vcs.savannah.gnu.org>
2015-09-21 19:57 ` [Emacs-diffs] master db828f6: Don't rely on defaults in decoding UTF-8 encoded Lisp files Stefan Monnier
2015-09-21 20:07 ` Eli Zaretskii
2015-09-24 16:44 ` Eli Zaretskii
2015-09-24 21:29 ` Stefan Monnier
2015-09-25 7:55 ` Eli Zaretskii
2015-09-25 12:21 ` Stefan Monnier
2015-09-25 13:37 ` Eli Zaretskii
2015-09-25 22:32 ` Paul Eggert
2015-09-26 6:27 ` Eli Zaretskii
2015-09-26 6:32 ` Eli Zaretskii
2015-09-26 14:31 ` Paul Eggert
2015-09-26 15:15 ` Eli Zaretskii
2015-09-26 16:01 ` Paul Eggert
2015-09-26 16:09 ` David Kastrup
2015-09-26 17:26 ` Eli Zaretskii
2015-09-26 18:53 ` Paul Eggert [this message]
2015-09-26 19:35 ` Eli Zaretskii
2015-09-26 20:26 ` Chad Brown
2015-09-26 21:50 ` David Kastrup
2015-09-27 4:44 ` Paul Eggert
2015-09-27 5:29 ` David Kastrup
2015-09-27 7:38 ` Paul Eggert
2015-09-27 7:46 ` David Kastrup
2015-09-27 7:52 ` Paul Eggert
2015-09-27 9:47 ` Andreas Schwab
2015-09-27 9:54 ` David Kastrup
2015-09-27 10:03 ` Andreas Schwab
2015-09-27 10:12 ` David Kastrup
2015-09-27 11:10 ` Andreas Schwab
2015-09-27 22:48 ` Richard Stallman
2015-09-28 2:41 ` Paul Eggert
2015-09-28 6:53 ` Eli Zaretskii
2015-09-28 15:08 ` Paul Eggert
2015-09-28 15:58 ` Eli Zaretskii
2015-09-27 7:39 ` Eli Zaretskii
2015-09-27 7:52 ` Paul Eggert
2015-09-27 8:00 ` David Kastrup
2015-09-27 8:03 ` Eli Zaretskii
2015-09-27 8:29 ` Paul Eggert
2015-09-27 8:37 ` David Kastrup
2015-09-27 8:40 ` Paul Eggert
2015-09-27 8:50 ` David Kastrup
2015-09-27 10:14 ` Eli Zaretskii
2015-09-27 8:57 ` Eli Zaretskii
2015-09-27 7:34 ` Eli Zaretskii
2015-09-27 16:03 ` Chad Brown
2015-09-27 18:41 ` Eli Zaretskii
2015-09-27 19:52 ` Chad Brown
2015-09-27 20:52 ` Eli Zaretskii
2015-09-26 20:32 ` Paul Eggert
2015-09-27 7:27 ` Eli Zaretskii
2015-09-27 7:42 ` David Kastrup
2015-09-27 9:20 ` Rustom Mody
2015-09-27 10:13 ` Eli Zaretskii
2015-09-27 20:21 ` Paul Eggert
2015-09-27 21:04 ` Eli Zaretskii
2015-09-27 8:22 ` Paul Eggert
2015-09-27 8:55 ` Eli Zaretskii
2015-09-27 9:56 ` Andreas Schwab
2015-09-27 10:04 ` David Kastrup
2015-09-27 10:16 ` Eli Zaretskii
2015-09-27 10:36 ` Eli Zaretskii
2015-09-27 10:59 ` Eli Zaretskii
2015-09-27 20:05 ` Paul Eggert
2015-09-26 17:25 ` Eli Zaretskii
2015-09-26 18:51 ` Paul Eggert
2015-09-27 0:12 ` stephen
2015-09-27 4:44 ` Paul Eggert
2015-09-27 6:20 ` stephen
2015-09-27 8:34 ` Paul Eggert
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