From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Paul Eggert Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.bugs Subject: bug#21472: 25.0.50; REGRESSION: (emacs) `Coding Systems' uses curly quotes for Lisp strings Date: Wed, 16 Sep 2015 08:31:00 -0700 Organization: UCLA Computer Science Department Message-ID: <55F98B34.4080703@cs.ucla.edu> References: <55F83FDF.2070202@cs.ucla.edu> <3aa1fafa-ed4d-4935-8a3e-cae7d0842c5f@default> <83r3ly7rpd.fsf@gnu.org> <55F91EF9.2000302@cs.ucla.edu> <83mvwm7k3s.fsf@gnu.org> NNTP-Posting-Host: plane.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1442417553 16196 80.91.229.3 (16 Sep 2015 15:32:33 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 16 Sep 2015 15:32:33 +0000 (UTC) Cc: 21472@debbugs.gnu.org To: Eli Zaretskii Original-X-From: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Wed Sep 16 17:32:22 2015 Return-path: Envelope-to: geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by plane.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1ZcEgx-0006jt-Hg for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Wed, 16 Sep 2015 17:32:15 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:51503 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1ZcEgs-00047U-1M for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Wed, 16 Sep 2015 11:32:10 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:36699) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1ZcEgo-00046M-J7 for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Wed, 16 Sep 2015 11:32:07 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1ZcEgk-0000MF-IL for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Wed, 16 Sep 2015 11:32:06 -0400 Original-Received: from debbugs.gnu.org ([208.118.235.43]:42775) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1ZcEgk-0000MB-FW for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Wed, 16 Sep 2015 11:32:02 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-debbugs by debbugs.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1ZcEgk-0008Nq-61 for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Wed, 16 Sep 2015 11:32:02 -0400 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Resent-From: Paul Eggert Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Wed, 16 Sep 2015 15:32:02 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 21472 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: Original-Received: via spool by 21472-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B21472.144241746432069 (code B ref 21472); Wed, 16 Sep 2015 15:32:02 +0000 Original-Received: (at 21472) by debbugs.gnu.org; 16 Sep 2015 15:31:04 +0000 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:34985 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1ZcEfo-0008LB-2o for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 16 Sep 2015 11:31:04 -0400 Original-Received: from zimbra.cs.ucla.edu ([131.179.128.68]:44979) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1ZcEfm-0008Kq-Kx for 21472@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 16 Sep 2015 11:31:03 -0400 Original-Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zimbra.cs.ucla.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8F5051610EE; Wed, 16 Sep 2015 08:31:01 -0700 (PDT) Original-Received: from zimbra.cs.ucla.edu ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (zimbra.cs.ucla.edu [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10032) with ESMTP id Ev9D6d6t3FiB; Wed, 16 Sep 2015 08:31:00 -0700 (PDT) Original-Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zimbra.cs.ucla.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id D774F1610ED; Wed, 16 Sep 2015 08:31:00 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at zimbra.cs.ucla.edu Original-Received: from zimbra.cs.ucla.edu ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (zimbra.cs.ucla.edu [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10026) with ESMTP id xPCOe3ZyI5pb; Wed, 16 Sep 2015 08:31:00 -0700 (PDT) Original-Received: from [192.168.1.9] (pool-100-32-155-148.lsanca.fios.verizon.net [100.32.155.148]) by zimbra.cs.ucla.edu (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id B86F81610EC; Wed, 16 Sep 2015 08:31:00 -0700 (PDT) User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:38.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/38.2.0 In-Reply-To: <83mvwm7k3s.fsf@gnu.org> X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 3.x X-Received-From: 208.118.235.43 X-BeenThere: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org List-Id: "Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.bugs:106648 Archived-At: Eli Zaretskii wrote: > For example, any use of "magic" where no real magic (as in Gandalf > coming in and performing it) should be quoted, because the literal > meaning is too far-fetched. Likewise in other similar situations, I'll give you =E2=80=9Cmagic=E2=80=9D as that is a gray area, where it's = no big deal either way,=20 but there are many other quotes that are clearly unnecessary, e.g.: Some mice have a ``wheel'' The @dfn{clipboard} is the facility that most graphical applications u= se for=20 ``cutting and pasting''. If you exit Emacs while it is the current ``owner'' of the clipboard d= ata, the @var{predicate} should return non-@code{nil} if the first element = is=20 ``less'' than the second, or @code{nil} if not. Quotes like these are a disservice to the reader: the reader must slow do= wn and=20 process them and think =E2=80=9Cwhy is this phrase being quoted?=E2=80=9D= and the answer to that=20 question is not worth the cost of the mental processing. There is no nee= d to=20 quote the word =E2=80=9Cpush=E2=80=9D merely because it is used as a noun= ! Anyway, clearly you prefer manuals that are way overquoted compared to st= andard=20 English style. To me, and I think to most people, this gives the manuals= a=20 overly =E2=80=9Cfussy=E2=80=9D look. (Apparently I need to quote =E2=80=9C= fussy=E2=80=9D as the manuals are not=20 actually fussing. :-) But I=E2=80=99m not going to =E2=80=9Cfight=E2=80=9D= over it. (The quotes are=20 because it wouldn=E2=80=99t be an actual fight with actual fisticuffs. :-= )