From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Phil Sainty Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.bugs Subject: bug#21423: 24.5; (package-initialize) added to init.el without (setq package-enable-at-startup nil) Date: Mon, 07 Sep 2015 01:29:01 +1200 Message-ID: <55EC3F9D.6080800@orcon.net.nz> References: <55EC1CF4.60006@orcon.net.nz> <55EC1F21.8080702@orcon.net.nz> NNTP-Posting-Host: plane.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1441546232 19554 80.91.229.3 (6 Sep 2015 13:30:32 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 6 Sep 2015 13:30:32 +0000 (UTC) Cc: 21423@debbugs.gnu.org To: bruce.connor.am@gmail.com Original-X-From: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Sun Sep 06 15:30:20 2015 Return-path: Envelope-to: geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by plane.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1ZYa1T-0005nu-W8 for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Sun, 06 Sep 2015 15:30:20 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:48261 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1ZYa1U-0002q7-0d for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Sun, 06 Sep 2015 09:30:20 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:47157) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1ZYa1R-0002pd-3a for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sun, 06 Sep 2015 09:30:17 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1ZYa1M-0006V3-0d for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sun, 06 Sep 2015 09:30:17 -0400 Original-Received: from debbugs.gnu.org ([208.118.235.43]:58385) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1ZYa1L-0006Ux-U2 for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sun, 06 Sep 2015 09:30:11 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-debbugs by debbugs.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1ZYa1E-0003wE-KE for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sun, 06 Sep 2015 09:30:04 -0400 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Resent-From: Phil Sainty Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Sun, 06 Sep 2015 13:30:03 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 21423 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: Original-Received: via spool by 21423-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B21423.144154615114997 (code B ref 21423); Sun, 06 Sep 2015 13:30:03 +0000 Original-Received: (at 21423) by debbugs.gnu.org; 6 Sep 2015 13:29:11 +0000 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:50595 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1ZYa0M-0003tl-Ft for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 06 Sep 2015 09:29:10 -0400 Original-Received: from [219.88.242.52] (port=57717 helo=mail.orcon.net.nz) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1ZYa0H-0003tF-Lx for 21423@debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 06 Sep 2015 09:29:06 -0400 Original-Received: from [10.1.1.5] (202-150-102-33.bng1.avl.orcon.net.nz [202.150.102.33] (may be forged)) (authenticated bits=0) by mail.orcon.net.nz (8.14.3/8.14.3/Debian-9.4) with ESMTP id t86DT148048505; Mon, 7 Sep 2015 01:29:02 +1200 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:31.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/31.8.0 In-Reply-To: X-Bayes-Prob: 0.0001 (Score 0: No Bayes scoring rules defined, tokens from: outbound) X-CanIt-Geo: ip=202.150.102.33; country=NZ; latitude=-41; longitude=174.0000; http://maps.google.com/maps?q=-41,174.0000&z=6 X-CanItPRO-Stream: base:outbound X-Canit-Stats-ID: 02PdNt1E0 - 01293350a7dd - 20150907 X-Scanned-By: CanIt (www . roaringpenguin . com) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 3.x X-Received-From: 208.118.235.43 X-BeenThere: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org List-Id: "Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.bugs:106189 Archived-At: On 07/09/15 00:59, Artur Malabarba wrote: > I think I'd rather do the patch below. > This will not only help the situation where we automatically add > `(package-initialize)' to the init file, but it will also help those > users who have manually added it without knowing about this caveat. > > Does anyone foresee problems with this? I did always think it odd that your proposed change wasn't how it worked to begin with. That said, this change would seem to be an issue for anyone who is performing a partial initialisation in their init file (for specific packages), and then depending on the default initialisation to deal with the remainder, post-init. I can only imagine that's a very small proportion of users indeed, but I presume the scenario ought to be considered (even if only for the purposes of documenting it in NEWS).