From: Paul Eggert <eggert@cs.ucla.edu>
To: Alan Mackenzie <acm@muc.de>, Stefan Monnier <monnier@iro.umontreal.ca>
Cc: Eli Zaretskii <eliz@gnu.org>, emacs-devel@gnu.org
Subject: Re: text-quoting-style
Date: Fri, 28 Aug 2015 10:48:10 -0700 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <55E09EDA.3080001@cs.ucla.edu> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20150828172501.GB4882@acm.fritz.box>
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Alan Mackenzie wrote:
> The reason for its existence still holds. Or is there some other
> mechanism which achieves the same thing?
I suggested the mechanism of setting the locale, which is needed anyway in an
environment that can't display non-ASCII characters. That is, curved quote
characters would still be transformed to grave accent and apostrophe in the
*Help* buffers, which I think was your main goal; it's just that the
text-quoting-style variable wouldn't be needed.
Something like the attached change to the manual, say, with corresponding
changes elsewhere.
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diff --git a/doc/lispref/help.texi b/doc/lispref/help.texi
index 44c09a2..fdd0a32 100644
--- a/doc/lispref/help.texi
+++ b/doc/lispref/help.texi
@@ -335,18 +335,17 @@ and @samp{\=\=} puts @samp{\=} into the output.
@strong{Please note:} Each @samp{\} must be doubled when written in a
string in Emacs Lisp.
-@defvar text-quoting-style
@cindex curved quotes
@cindex curly quotes
-The value of this variable specifies the style used to generate text
-quotes. If the variable's value is @code{curve}, the style is
-@t{‘like this’} with curved single quotes. If the value is
-@code{straight}, the style is @t{'like this'} with straight
-apostrophes. If the value is @code{grave}, the style is @t{`like
-this'} with grave accent and apostrophe. The default value @code{nil}
-acts like @code{curve} if curved single quotes are displayable, and
-like @code{grave} otherwise.
-@end defvar
+@cindex @env{LC_ALL} environment variable
+Docstrings can represent directed single quotes with
+either curved quotes (@t{‘} and @t{’}) or with grave accent and
+apostrophe (@t{`} and @t{'}). These are transformed to curved single
+quotes if displayable, and to grave accent and apostrophe otherwise.
+Most modern displays can represent curved quotes with no trouble; for
+the exceptions, you can run Emacs in a locale that matches your
+display, e.g., by setting @env{LC_ALL} to @samp{C} in the environment.
+@xref{Locales}.
@defun substitute-command-keys string
This function scans @var{string} for the above special sequences and
diff --git a/doc/lispref/strings.texi b/doc/lispref/strings.texi
index 08e8e87..3705546 100644
--- a/doc/lispref/strings.texi
+++ b/doc/lispref/strings.texi
@@ -818,11 +818,12 @@ if any.
@defun format-message string &rest objects
@cindex curved quotes
@cindex curly quotes
-This function acts like @code{format}, except it also converts any
-curved single quotes in @var{string} as per the value of
-@code{text-quoting-style}, and treats grave accent (@t{`}) and
-apostrophe (@t{'}) as if they were curved single quotes. @xref{Keys
-in Documentation}.
+This function acts like @code{format}, except it also replaces grave
+accents and apostrophes (@t{`} and @t{'}) in @var{string} with curved
+quotes (@t{‘} and @t{’}) if curved quotes are displayable, and
+replaces curved quotes with grave accents and apostrophes if curved
+quotes are not displayable. This extra replacement is similar to what
+@code{substitute-command-keys} does. @xref{Keys in Documentation}.
@end defun
@cindex @samp{%} in format
@@ -923,8 +924,7 @@ specification is unusual in that it does not use a value. For example,
Any other format character results in an @samp{Invalid format
operation} error.
- Here are several examples, which assume the typical
-@code{text-quoting-style} settings:
+ Here are several examples, which assume curved quotes are displayable:
@example
@group
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Thread overview: 64+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2015-08-28 2:03 text-quoting-style Stefan Monnier
2015-08-28 5:22 ` text-quoting-style David Kastrup
2015-08-28 7:06 ` text-quoting-style Paul Eggert
2015-08-28 7:37 ` text-quoting-style Eli Zaretskii
2015-08-28 7:54 ` text-quoting-style Paul Eggert
2015-08-28 8:42 ` text-quoting-style Eli Zaretskii
2015-08-28 14:39 ` text-quoting-style Yuri Khan
2015-08-28 14:49 ` text-quoting-style Eli Zaretskii
2015-08-28 15:00 ` text-quoting-style Paul Eggert
2015-08-28 15:31 ` text-quoting-style Eli Zaretskii
2015-08-28 15:39 ` text-quoting-style Paul Eggert
2015-08-28 15:48 ` text-quoting-style Eli Zaretskii
2015-08-28 7:29 ` text-quoting-style Eli Zaretskii
2015-08-28 16:42 ` text-quoting-style Stefan Monnier
2015-08-28 17:25 ` text-quoting-style Alan Mackenzie
2015-08-28 17:48 ` Paul Eggert [this message]
2015-08-28 18:28 ` text-quoting-style Alan Mackenzie
2015-08-29 14:54 ` text-quoting-style Stefan Monnier
2015-08-29 15:59 ` text-quoting-style Alan Mackenzie
2015-08-30 1:59 ` text-quoting-style Stefan Monnier
2015-08-30 13:16 ` text-quoting-style Alan Mackenzie
2015-08-31 1:30 ` text-quoting-style Stefan Monnier
2015-08-31 6:29 ` text-quoting-style Paul Eggert
2015-08-31 20:13 ` text-quoting-style Alan Mackenzie
2015-08-31 21:29 ` text-quoting-style Paul Eggert
2015-09-01 12:47 ` text-quoting-style Alan Mackenzie
2015-09-01 16:27 ` text-quoting-style Paul Eggert
2015-09-01 17:07 ` text-quoting-style David Kastrup
2015-09-01 18:35 ` text-quoting-style Alan Mackenzie
2015-09-01 23:58 ` text-quoting-style Paul Eggert
2015-09-02 9:09 ` text-quoting-style Alan Mackenzie
2015-09-02 15:13 ` text-quoting-style Paul Eggert
2015-09-01 18:44 ` text-quoting-style Eli Zaretskii
2015-09-01 19:08 ` text-quoting-style Paul Eggert
2015-09-01 13:46 ` text-quoting-style David Kastrup
2015-09-01 16:28 ` text-quoting-style Paul Eggert
2015-09-01 17:08 ` text-quoting-style David Kastrup
2015-09-01 17:34 ` text-quoting-style Paul Eggert
2015-09-01 18:30 ` text-quoting-style David Kastrup
2015-09-02 0:07 ` text-quoting-style Paul Eggert
2015-09-02 0:27 ` text-quoting-style David Kastrup
2015-09-02 15:35 ` text-quoting-style Richard Stallman
2015-08-31 20:01 ` text-quoting-style Alan Mackenzie
2015-09-01 3:31 ` text-quoting-style Stefan Monnier
2015-09-01 9:28 ` text-quoting-style Dmitry Gutov
2015-09-01 10:53 ` text-quoting-style Oleh Krehel
2015-09-01 13:03 ` text-quoting-style Alan Mackenzie
2015-09-01 16:46 ` text-quoting-style Stefan Monnier
2015-09-01 20:41 ` text-quoting-style Bastien
2015-09-01 23:47 ` text-quoting-style Paul Eggert
2015-09-02 0:18 ` text-quoting-style David Kastrup
2015-09-02 0:35 ` text-quoting-style Paul Eggert
2015-09-02 0:53 ` text-quoting-style David Kastrup
2015-09-02 6:57 ` text-quoting-style Bastien
2015-09-02 15:17 ` text-quoting-style Paul Eggert
2015-09-02 15:36 ` text-quoting-style Dmitry Gutov
2015-09-02 15:41 ` text-quoting-style Bastien Guerry
2015-09-01 22:55 ` text-quoting-style Richard Stallman
2015-09-02 9:05 ` text-quoting-style Alan Mackenzie
2015-08-31 16:10 ` text-quoting-style N. Jackson
2015-08-31 17:31 ` text-quoting-style Stefan Monnier
2015-09-02 19:34 ` text-quoting-style N. Jackson
2015-09-03 15:29 ` text-quoting-style raman
2015-08-31 6:15 ` text-quoting-style Paul Eggert
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