From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Paul Eggert Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: [Emacs-diffs] master 9ce1d38: Use curved quotes in core elisp diagnostics Date: Fri, 21 Aug 2015 17:19:32 -0700 Organization: UCLA Computer Science Department Message-ID: <55D7C014.7070808@cs.ucla.edu> References: <20150816160149.9416.80132@vcs.savannah.gnu.org> <55D1043C.3030909@yandex.ru> <55D15899.2070105@cs.ucla.edu> <55D1C9CE.2060407@yandex.ru> <55D20EDF.5070906@cs.ucla.edu> <55D223CA.4080109@yandex.ru> <55D22A1F.8040508@cs.ucla.edu> <55D22CF4.9030608@yandex.ru> <55D2747D.10809@cs.ucla.edu> <55D317A9.6000805@yandex.ru> <55D42210.9070703@cs.ucla.edu> <55D48503.3020406@yandex.ru> <55D50159.2030104@cs.ucla.edu> <55D5DC52.9020709@cs.ucla.edu> <55D7B881.9000201@yandex.ru> NNTP-Posting-Host: plane.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1440202805 23880 80.91.229.3 (22 Aug 2015 00:20:05 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 22 Aug 2015 00:20:05 +0000 (UTC) To: Dmitry Gutov , emacs-devel@gnu.org Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Sat Aug 22 02:19:56 2015 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by plane.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1ZSwXJ-00018J-RV for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Sat, 22 Aug 2015 02:19:53 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:44952 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1ZSwXJ-0005mJ-5p for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Fri, 21 Aug 2015 20:19:53 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:43255) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1ZSwX4-0005lv-JW for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 21 Aug 2015 20:19:39 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1ZSwX1-0005vx-BI for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 21 Aug 2015 20:19:38 -0400 Original-Received: from zimbra.cs.ucla.edu ([131.179.128.68]:60558) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1ZSwX1-0005vQ-6F for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 21 Aug 2015 20:19:35 -0400 Original-Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zimbra.cs.ucla.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 47ADC160ED8; Fri, 21 Aug 2015 17:19:33 -0700 (PDT) Original-Received: from zimbra.cs.ucla.edu ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (zimbra.cs.ucla.edu [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10032) with ESMTP id BskyCsWQrq8v; Fri, 21 Aug 2015 17:19:32 -0700 (PDT) Original-Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zimbra.cs.ucla.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 862D9160EDA; Fri, 21 Aug 2015 17:19:32 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at zimbra.cs.ucla.edu Original-Received: from zimbra.cs.ucla.edu ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (zimbra.cs.ucla.edu [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10026) with ESMTP id k4b9Jwm8RW_c; Fri, 21 Aug 2015 17:19:32 -0700 (PDT) Original-Received: from [192.168.1.9] (pool-100-32-155-148.lsanca.fios.verizon.net [100.32.155.148]) by zimbra.cs.ucla.edu (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 5C74D160ED8; Fri, 21 Aug 2015 17:19:32 -0700 (PDT) User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:31.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/31.8.0 In-Reply-To: <55D7B881.9000201@yandex.ru> X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 3.x X-Received-From: 131.179.128.68 X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:189059 Archived-At: Dmitry Gutov wrote: > On 08/20/2015 04:55 PM, Paul Eggert wrote: >> e.g., for rfc2368-mailto-prequery-index: >> >> "Describes the portion of the url between 'mailto:' and '?'." >> >> and it's not right to turn these into right single quotation marks: >> >> "Describes the portion of the url between =E2=80=99mailto:=E2=80=99= and =E2=80=99?=E2=80=99." > Doesn't keeping the straight quotes in the output goes against your sta= ted goal > of improving typography in Emacs? Although it may not be ideal, neutral quotes are adequate typography here= , and=20 are certainly better than transforming all four quotes into right single=20 quotation marks. And although Emacs diagnostics use directed quotes to q= uote=20 symbols and other code, the situation is not as clear for quoting other t= hings=20 so I have been conservative and have generally left these other quotes al= one if=20 they are neutral. It'd be fine with me if you were bolder and changed th= em to=20 be directed. > Whenever EQM doesn't translated isolated quotes, but the user needs the= m, > they'll have to learn entering them the long way. Electric Quote mode would leave the apostrophes unmodified in the above e= xample.=20 A user who really needs the string to contain four right single quotati= on=20 marks (something that ordinarily would be inappropriate) will need to ent= er the=20 characters manually, yes.