From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Paul Eggert Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: [Emacs-diffs] master 9ce1d38: Use curved quotes in core elisp diagnostics Date: Tue, 18 Aug 2015 21:24:20 -0700 Organization: UCLA Computer Science Department Message-ID: <55D404F4.90401@cs.ucla.edu> References: <20150817121513.GA2634@acm.fritz.box> <55D21191.8070202@cs.ucla.edu> <20150817173551.GB2634@acm.fritz.box> <55D29EA6.2020009@cs.ucla.edu> <20150818103921.GA2262@acm.fritz.box> <55D36132.1020900@cs.ucla.edu> <20150818171715.GD2262@acm.fritz.box> <55D3869E.30302@cs.ucla.edu> <20150818204211.GF2262@acm.fritz.box> <55D3A641.7040409@cs.ucla.edu> <20150818231529.GG2262@acm.fritz.box> NNTP-Posting-Host: plane.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1439958293 28276 80.91.229.3 (19 Aug 2015 04:24:53 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 19 Aug 2015 04:24:53 +0000 (UTC) Cc: emacs-devel@gnu.org To: Alan Mackenzie Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Wed Aug 19 06:24:42 2015 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by plane.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1ZRuvX-00076I-Uf for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Wed, 19 Aug 2015 06:24:40 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:60467 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1ZRuvX-0005Td-66 for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Wed, 19 Aug 2015 00:24:39 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:36412) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1ZRuvK-0005TY-1p for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 19 Aug 2015 00:24:26 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1ZRuvG-0003MG-RP for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 19 Aug 2015 00:24:25 -0400 Original-Received: from zimbra.cs.ucla.edu ([131.179.128.68]:42137) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1ZRuvG-0003M9-M6 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 19 Aug 2015 00:24:22 -0400 Original-Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zimbra.cs.ucla.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3D7EE160D22; Tue, 18 Aug 2015 21:24:21 -0700 (PDT) Original-Received: from zimbra.cs.ucla.edu ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (zimbra.cs.ucla.edu [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10032) with ESMTP id 9eOgMwmc8YN0; Tue, 18 Aug 2015 21:24:20 -0700 (PDT) Original-Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zimbra.cs.ucla.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 89143160D91; Tue, 18 Aug 2015 21:24:20 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at zimbra.cs.ucla.edu Original-Received: from zimbra.cs.ucla.edu ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (zimbra.cs.ucla.edu [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10026) with ESMTP id 0_qz0y_SHp8o; Tue, 18 Aug 2015 21:24:20 -0700 (PDT) Original-Received: from [192.168.1.9] (pool-100-32-155-148.lsanca.fios.verizon.net [100.32.155.148]) by zimbra.cs.ucla.edu (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 68955160D22; Tue, 18 Aug 2015 21:24:20 -0700 (PDT) User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:31.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/31.8.0 In-Reply-To: <20150818231529.GG2262@acm.fritz.box> X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 3.x X-Received-From: 131.179.128.68 X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:188928 Archived-At: Alan Mackenzie wrote: > I think you know full well what I mean by "working character", No, actually, I don't. From my point of view "working character" is a sl= ippery=20 notion that mutates when we try to pin it down. Perhaps we should stick = with=20 "non-ASCII character"; that's clear. > Spanish keyboards DO have "=C3=93", for any sensible value of "have". Only if properly configured. If you use these keyboards with the wrong=20 settings, Compose ' O won't work, and there's no "=C3=93" key on the keyb= oard so=20 you'll be stuck. In these respects "=C3=93", "=E2=80=98" and "=E2=80=99"= are all in the same=20 category on a Spanish keyboard. And this is OK. >> The criterion cannot be that any text editor in any configuration shou= ld be able >> to edit Emacs source code with no trouble. That hasn't ever been true= . > > I think it pretty much has been, certainly for all but a few special > files, up until the last few days. No, it hasn't been true *at all*. It's quite common for Japanese keyboar= ds to=20 lack a =E2=80=98\=E2=80=99 key, for example. And this is OK too. > I think you're agreeing with me that to work with curly quotes using > these tools, you're going to be having to enter their hex codes Not at all. That would be silly. I never use hex codes to enter these c= haracters.