From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Dmitry Gutov Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: [Emacs-diffs] master 9ce1d38: Use curved quotes in core elisp diagnostics Date: Mon, 17 Aug 2015 21:22:19 +0300 Message-ID: <55D2265B.5030109@yandex.ru> References: <20150816160149.9416.80132@vcs.savannah.gnu.org> <55D1043C.3030909@yandex.ru> <55D15899.2070105@cs.ucla.edu> <20150817121513.GA2634@acm.fritz.box> <55D21191.8070202@cs.ucla.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: plane.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1439837350 28350 80.91.229.3 (17 Aug 2015 18:49:10 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 17 Aug 2015 18:49:10 +0000 (UTC) Cc: emacs-devel@gnu.org To: Paul Eggert , Alan Mackenzie Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Mon Aug 17 20:49:09 2015 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by plane.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1ZRPT2-0002w1-Gf for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Mon, 17 Aug 2015 20:49:08 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:59241 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1ZRP3g-0000wH-NR for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Mon, 17 Aug 2015 14:22:56 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:33099) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1ZRP3B-0000uh-TR for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 17 Aug 2015 14:22:27 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1ZRP38-0004XX-OT for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 17 Aug 2015 14:22:25 -0400 Original-Received: from mail-wi0-x235.google.com ([2a00:1450:400c:c05::235]:38724) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1ZRP38-0004W7-Gn for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 17 Aug 2015 14:22:22 -0400 Original-Received: by wicja10 with SMTP id ja10so88086973wic.1 for ; Mon, 17 Aug 2015 11:22:21 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=sender:subject:to:references:cc:from:message-id:date:user-agent :mime-version:in-reply-to:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=kZCPUC4xFzRiwY4T4Y2b2M+0MEVTYDsdvXr89YoyF/c=; b=d0c0XomO6DJcHtKDU16mPE5OuM/0SLjaDrMYKCaaD5Pc6MBz6IMX0orMghRZSOhd04 J7KyhDjQGurAv151YIH/7nU2szZL6pO7I8sqr1PuqYHpPNEuBTbSSPUBjiGMFAPz+sgS dddB/s2Lsj5vHF7ppvnne0Tdha2OtSX5wM7KOeXCI2LifNCNADulu3ehO8zzKZY/Fbc2 tndkNF+TzbQQQqu0pkffe1jKPKpXxprIGQNcouXPGCF17YoHHqp+lTF/pBrG6lXkCoOs NT13zf0/IdJAiR+eVxs/siXLtcV3CktBR/R4NKJE/w7RODqW5YLFpQ2yL8PjOYwVURpj 6iOA== X-Received: by 10.180.94.168 with SMTP id dd8mr35907461wib.76.1439835741886; Mon, 17 Aug 2015 11:22:21 -0700 (PDT) Original-Received: from [10.9.0.103] (nat.webazilla.com. [78.140.128.228]) by smtp.googlemail.com with ESMTPSA id lz10sm22874891wjb.48.2015.08.17.11.22.20 (version=TLSv1.2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128/128); Mon, 17 Aug 2015 11:22:21 -0700 (PDT) User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:40.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/40.0 In-Reply-To: <55D21191.8070202@cs.ucla.edu> X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: Error: Malformed IPv6 address (bad octet value). X-Received-From: 2a00:1450:400c:c05::235 X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:188855 Archived-At: On 08/17/2015 07:53 PM, Paul Eggert wrote: > Although I also would prefer a simpler approach (one that consistently > uses curved quotes), you've objected to that, necessitating a "chaotic" > compromise. "Necessitating", here, is a matter of opinion. > Insisting that Emacs developers live and work in an ASCII ghetto has > contributed to these problems, as it has led us to discount the > importance of non-ASCII editing in the real world. (I've been guilty of > this as the next guy, by the way -- I'm not trying to cast aspersions on > anybody in particular.) It'll be helpful to break out of these old > mindsets, and if regularly using a few non-ASCII characters in Emacs > source will help us do that, then that'll be a good thing. The image that comes to mind, is of an odd kid who's late to a party (to which he's been invited for the first time), who wants to fit in, and to that end, drinks too much. It makes me sad. Unicode characters are good, we should use them in text, but not in the basic syntax of the language or its environment.