From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Dmitry Gutov Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Upcoming loss of usability of Emacs source files and Emacs. Date: Tue, 30 Jun 2015 13:08:30 +0300 Message-ID: <55926A9E.40901@yandex.ru> References: <20150615142237.GA3517@acm.fritz.box> <87y4jkhqh5.fsf@uwakimon.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp> <557F3C22.4060909@cs.ucla.edu> <5580D356.4050708@cs.ucla.edu> <87si9qonxb.fsf@gnu.org> <5581C29E.1030101@yandex.ru> <558D6A3D.1070706@yandex.ru> <558DD6EA.4090306@yandex.ru> <558F497A.8050304@yandex.ru> NNTP-Posting-Host: plane.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1435658946 15486 80.91.229.3 (30 Jun 2015 10:09:06 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 30 Jun 2015 10:09:06 +0000 (UTC) Cc: acm@muc.de, stephen@xemacs.org, Paul Eggert , rms@gnu.org, emacs-devel@gnu.org To: Stefan Monnier Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Tue Jun 30 12:09:00 2015 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by plane.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1Z9sTL-0006cb-0G for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Tue, 30 Jun 2015 12:08:59 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:46063 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Z9sTK-0005Ab-1X for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Tue, 30 Jun 2015 06:08:58 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:47045) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Z9sT6-0005AT-Dd for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 30 Jun 2015 06:08:45 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Z9sT0-0004n8-NA for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 30 Jun 2015 06:08:44 -0400 Original-Received: from mail-wi0-x235.google.com ([2a00:1450:400c:c05::235]:37890) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Z9sT0-0004mU-FR; Tue, 30 Jun 2015 06:08:38 -0400 Original-Received: by wibdq8 with SMTP id dq8so11646594wib.1; Tue, 30 Jun 2015 03:08:36 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=sender:subject:to:references:cc:from:message-id:date:user-agent :mime-version:in-reply-to:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=9Hj3P6+9lsZD8hTcEmE8D0gwLT/ByspeqDDTiiZcbMs=; b=0lSwrW+V5c5ckuEe4mZ+Wj8+eoxkMHZEtKjno5ojDzxDn4azKT84WpIDafK5VbPNXE mOAbhepeYV5QWKWi20rFj5dv4UFQ7PHaZWVubLkbVQQUwPWSm7Zv2z1jEQUlGYE9ynz8 vmuZCG9NonwYjJJOf1RT26xiKF5ZQxgtzudt2tswtX5BM51GZBCgRZEtszT9eI0CkUpY MPwxQnzXIQ6WZ4QT/OOqGQaYRA16MEwVYrSOem9kwXFd402zr4XF43A+qY9k6OHbDhEJ KTps6pVpYr2ikLGsbv1du0gLJEKs/TxmtcAkNTdBHbbj6vSQ/UezEZH2P0C0JBIXhHDo otpQ== X-Received: by 10.180.39.212 with SMTP id r20mr31435041wik.64.1435658916296; Tue, 30 Jun 2015 03:08:36 -0700 (PDT) Original-Received: from [192.168.1.2] ([82.102.93.54]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPSA id ex8sm11382169wjc.34.2015.06.30.03.08.33 (version=TLSv1.2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128/128); Tue, 30 Jun 2015 03:08:35 -0700 (PDT) User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:38.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/38.0 In-Reply-To: X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: Error: Malformed IPv6 address (bad octet value). X-Received-From: 2a00:1450:400c:c05::235 X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:187665 Archived-At: On 06/28/2015 08:00 AM, Stefan Monnier wrote: > That's right. So we should focus on the escape rules. Maybe I should point out again that even in master we have an unambiguous escaping syntax for quotes ("\\="). Personally, I think that it's good enough (and Paul apparently agrees). The font-lock solution has other benefits; it could implement a different scheme (or delegate the escaping step to substitute-command-keys, which seems a fine idea now, actually). But it currently uses the syntax that's been requested: "\\~". So, could you participate in this discussion? What's wrong with "\\="? What would you prefer to see use instead? Otherwise, what areas would you like to see improved? It's inherently a bikeshed issue, not a (particularly) technical one.