From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Dmitry Gutov Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Upcoming loss of usability of Emacs source files and Emacs. Date: Sun, 28 Jun 2015 22:21:32 +0300 Message-ID: <5590493C.8000007@yandex.ru> References: <20150615142237.GA3517@acm.fritz.box> <87y4jkhqh5.fsf@uwakimon.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp> <557F3C22.4060909@cs.ucla.edu> <5580D356.4050708@cs.ucla.edu> <87si9qonxb.fsf@gnu.org> <5581C29E.1030101@yandex.ru> <558D6A3D.1070706@yandex.ru> <877fqnzpno.fsf@gnu.org> NNTP-Posting-Host: plane.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1435519327 32250 80.91.229.3 (28 Jun 2015 19:22:07 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 28 Jun 2015 19:22:07 +0000 (UTC) To: Stefan Monnier , acm@muc.de, stephen@xemacs.org, Paul Eggert , rms@gnu.org, emacs-devel@gnu.org Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Sun Jun 28 21:22:06 2015 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by plane.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1Z9I9W-0005s7-AN for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Sun, 28 Jun 2015 21:22:06 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:39687 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Z9I9V-0005o7-GO for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Sun, 28 Jun 2015 15:22:05 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:40531) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Z9I9G-0005o0-Go for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 28 Jun 2015 15:21:51 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Z9I9B-0000Vx-Ac for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 28 Jun 2015 15:21:50 -0400 Original-Received: from mail-wg0-x22d.google.com ([2a00:1450:400c:c00::22d]:34730) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Z9I9B-0000Ts-4O; Sun, 28 Jun 2015 15:21:45 -0400 Original-Received: by wgqq4 with SMTP id q4so125072483wgq.1; Sun, 28 Jun 2015 12:21:37 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=sender:subject:to:references:from:message-id:date:user-agent :mime-version:in-reply-to:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=vPQeNFnEjLELjyaO+fJFPGHri2tmLZU91N9gPjQk4hU=; b=b7JjK0BjiUX+sZriUtAecC9oh91zpGpFST6NKzz1udy6+opzaro9qWrwPLtFwHS1x1 nh5fIHxnMwtBfq32RzcKDcKlq3OwD5dZHOBGqpJfToyCb0Oo+xSBS6JqPMIdm5i7XlIS T7pphFU64f2O6FQ+lf5L+9CyM8lLQmzgMSpBLN9hFUqxSFvhv9HQ/pNrNUs6cxjLJorq WY6zaLZMeAKOZnkPwtb2m6/CRIYlnMbhSM4TAOUq27621QSM/71I2OQGL8iavnloRSkd WU6m9gcMAzcev6ycngiwZuvSiuC7uAx9E+3hKjBAokVT3mm82usQPAMFX7xVyuwroaeK ZD0Q== X-Received: by 10.194.60.81 with SMTP id f17mr21684080wjr.62.1435519297020; Sun, 28 Jun 2015 12:21:37 -0700 (PDT) Original-Received: from [192.168.1.2] ([82.102.93.54]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPSA id kc4sm60335185wjc.2.2015.06.28.12.21.35 (version=TLSv1.2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128/128); Sun, 28 Jun 2015 12:21:36 -0700 (PDT) User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:38.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/38.0 In-Reply-To: <877fqnzpno.fsf@gnu.org> X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: Error: Malformed IPv6 address (bad octet value). X-Received-From: 2a00:1450:400c:c00::22d X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:187621 Archived-At: On 06/28/2015 08:52 PM, Tassilo Horn wrote: > For example, I've seen uses of ⸢foo⸥ for marking up source code > snippets. That seems pretty unambiguous (although you can never be > sure), and as long you can type it easily and display it however suits > you best, it's as good as anything else. If we're prepared to change the markup radically, it would be better to use something like a tilde character, which is both ASCII and very rare in our docstrings. > BTW: On a related note: I don't get why *Help* buffers display quotes at > all when they are already displayed with a face that makes them > distinguishable from "normal" text and are clickable. Not the same thing. We only linkify the names of already-loaded (or autoloaded) functions and variables. Whereas we also use the quotes for other cases, like key sequences (`C-h k') and arbitrary `symbols' (for example when describing possible values of a variable or a function argument).