From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Dmitry Gutov Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Upcoming loss of usability of Emacs source files and Emacs. Date: Wed, 24 Jun 2015 22:19:25 +0300 Message-ID: <558B02BD.7060908@yandex.ru> References: <557F3C22.4060909@cs.ucla.edu> <5580D356.4050708@cs.ucla.edu> <87si9qonxb.fsf@gnu.org> <5581C29E.1030101@yandex.ru> <87r3p9fxm2.fsf@uwakimon.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp> <87k2v0fiji.fsf@uwakimon.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp> <20150619090225.GA2743@acm.fritz.box> <87fv5kfrfa.fsf@uwakimon.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp> <83twtzhi9g.fsf@gnu.org> <877fqvfvby.fsf@uwakimon.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp> <83fv5jh8ls.fsf@gnu.org> <874mlzf71d.fsf@uwakimon.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp> <558945C2.2010203@yandex.ru> <87h9pyxwrj.fsf@uwakimon.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp> <55897E75.10808@yandex.ru> <87y4j9w34v.fsf@uwakimon.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp> <558AD16F.7030208@yandex.ru> <87vbedvsv2.fsf@uwakimon.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp> NNTP-Posting-Host: plane.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1435173601 17320 80.91.229.3 (24 Jun 2015 19:20:01 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 24 Jun 2015 19:20:01 +0000 (UTC) Cc: emacs-devel@gnu.org To: "Stephen J. Turnbull" Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Wed Jun 24 21:19:56 2015 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by plane.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1Z7qDD-00029X-Iw for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Wed, 24 Jun 2015 21:19:55 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:52571 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Z7qDC-0007R5-NT for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Wed, 24 Jun 2015 15:19:54 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:57643) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Z7qCy-0007R0-VU for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 24 Jun 2015 15:19:41 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Z7qCv-0007yN-Ol for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 24 Jun 2015 15:19:40 -0400 Original-Received: from mail-wi0-x22b.google.com ([2a00:1450:400c:c05::22b]:38008) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Z7qCv-0007vE-EN for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 24 Jun 2015 15:19:37 -0400 Original-Received: by wibdq8 with SMTP id dq8so55751516wib.1 for ; Wed, 24 Jun 2015 12:19:28 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=sender:subject:to:references:cc:from:message-id:date:user-agent :mime-version:in-reply-to:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=G8Faa5uyHbKjhOGjxgD4i2h0lt/7EiJ75zwe8bLG6l4=; b=0VjAatATcCD2muoeaZxBpNaeEpQZai9AJECE+qhvignd20sxK58+Pq4TwNfOCuSHt9 U9vsQeTT7z/IqFnmMXOG4RSETIc6VXp2iGvdFE42Zb8tsxJU6yQZNgklJl0CuI7Yv2Cm M5ebQO8HE0VmOKqNQ/W0RSOHqUrSAKIj3yyLF7WoQq8WBOQc3ERFQRrCU/TFJkVcmw0I hC431vfOFK/C2jgM1LLax7p7GgG6NggTj9yGJbEobRs0zgu0a+eUVgx5nU6ODte9aIVc kPuob3oR7V1LyV53Tc4RZ/MpHMPiEsYiAmhua8YftjrlOLj5mhGARVTUHpyiT3nC1gCd 9cbg== X-Received: by 10.195.13.1 with SMTP id eu1mr7946463wjd.131.1435173568480; Wed, 24 Jun 2015 12:19:28 -0700 (PDT) Original-Received: from [192.168.1.2] ([82.102.93.54]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPSA id q3sm42161945wjr.38.2015.06.24.12.19.27 (version=TLSv1.2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128/128); Wed, 24 Jun 2015 12:19:27 -0700 (PDT) User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:38.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/38.0 In-Reply-To: <87vbedvsv2.fsf@uwakimon.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp> X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: Error: Malformed IPv6 address (bad octet value). X-Received-From: 2a00:1450:400c:c05::22b X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:187495 Archived-At: On 06/24/2015 09:55 PM, Stephen J. Turnbull wrote: > I think Richard will tell you differently, that "competition" with > other editors, languages, or formats is never a reason for Emacs to do > something. Cooperation (portability or compatibility) often is, > though. But you'll have to ask him to get an authoritative statement. Again, you're holding on to the wrong word. Point is, we're trying to solve a minor problem that others have solved before. Of course, the best way to do that is to approach the problem from an arbitrary angle, like asking a few students heretofore unfamiliar with Emacs (or programming). Or look at some kind of analog media.