From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Dmitry Gutov Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Upcoming loss of usability of Emacs source files and Emacs. Date: Wed, 24 Jun 2015 18:49:03 +0300 Message-ID: <558AD16F.7030208@yandex.ru> References: <557F3C22.4060909@cs.ucla.edu> <5580D356.4050708@cs.ucla.edu> <87si9qonxb.fsf@gnu.org> <5581C29E.1030101@yandex.ru> <87r3p9fxm2.fsf@uwakimon.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp> <87k2v0fiji.fsf@uwakimon.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp> <20150619090225.GA2743@acm.fritz.box> <87fv5kfrfa.fsf@uwakimon.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp> <83twtzhi9g.fsf@gnu.org> <877fqvfvby.fsf@uwakimon.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp> <83fv5jh8ls.fsf@gnu.org> <874mlzf71d.fsf@uwakimon.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp> <558945C2.2010203@yandex.ru> <87h9pyxwrj.fsf@uwakimon.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp> <55897E75.10808@yandex.ru> <87y4j9w34v.fsf@uwakimon.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp> NNTP-Posting-Host: plane.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1435160968 19718 80.91.229.3 (24 Jun 2015 15:49:28 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 24 Jun 2015 15:49:28 +0000 (UTC) Cc: emacs-devel@gnu.org To: "Stephen J. Turnbull" Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Wed Jun 24 17:49:27 2015 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by plane.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1Z7mvW-0008G9-1B for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Wed, 24 Jun 2015 17:49:26 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:51452 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Z7mvV-0001Ht-JJ for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Wed, 24 Jun 2015 11:49:25 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:38873) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Z7mvQ-0001EW-9E for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 24 Jun 2015 11:49:21 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Z7mvK-00020E-Vq for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 24 Jun 2015 11:49:20 -0400 Original-Received: from mail-wi0-x232.google.com ([2a00:1450:400c:c05::232]:37767) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Z7mvK-0001tb-O2 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 24 Jun 2015 11:49:14 -0400 Original-Received: by wicgi11 with SMTP id gi11so50657149wic.0 for ; Wed, 24 Jun 2015 08:49:05 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=sender:subject:to:references:cc:from:message-id:date:user-agent :mime-version:in-reply-to:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=DvBfq+8GBGBQB9zTyZF+DhxAr6iAMmsl8FlI/k8PWvM=; b=s0pdM1loTPiJCziO/vp9KiMyG/CDxMy1jVYQHpOrSqZ4BWvhGfnxMDTKx5iGPJQ3U2 pDCsPaOxQIKJ/Ie783p0A0v2rmcL/awqVrJ7czr2ogC5HtusEaMYAHVTc9aEZIHHkEsP GfQ+5CCH4nAqnAyyjTGYdoL3Eu1yKIMp2b8xBVusA+Ge+5lnZG2KwW+AHR9I4/e6Z/JS QBYrypiLW7h9g3VHNcF/jhfD9KXmAsVkjgqiIZ/MaM99tRbbxIqVsmrfV+vvltl6QG6A uscNk+/ip5bfO/RQXgsX/8L7pVfVbMpHmxpFUREhk/4oxGmifTvdH5ZfyPYyCDbaSKcx 2Dsg== X-Received: by 10.180.36.4 with SMTP id m4mr6132089wij.34.1435160945302; Wed, 24 Jun 2015 08:49:05 -0700 (PDT) Original-Received: from [192.168.0.185] (static-nbl2-118.cytanet.com.cy. [212.31.107.118]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPSA id g15sm3164451wiv.22.2015.06.24.08.49.04 (version=TLSv1.2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128/128); Wed, 24 Jun 2015 08:49:05 -0700 (PDT) User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:38.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/38.0 In-Reply-To: <87y4j9w34v.fsf@uwakimon.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp> X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: Error: Malformed IPv6 address (bad octet value). X-Received-From: 2a00:1450:400c:c05::232 X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:187483 Archived-At: On 06/24/2015 06:13 PM, Stephen J. Turnbull wrote: > It is, but people write about what they write about. It's not just me. In this case it's as if you've ignored half of the message. > > > > We're not even competing with other editors here. > > > > > > Exactly. Emacs isn't competing. It's doing what's right for Emacs. > > > > Exactly... not what I meant by the above sentence? > > You tell me. You state a fact, I agree that it's true, "exactly". I > take the lack of competition as an opportunity to do what's right, you > take it as a reason to stick to the status quo. Opinions differ. We *are* competing here. Not with Editors, but with other languages and documentation formats. Of course, only if we're talking about using fancy quotes directly in Elisp docstrings, and not some other other arbitrary issue that comes to mind.