From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Paul Eggert Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Upcoming loss of usability of Emacs source files and Emacs. Date: Tue, 23 Jun 2015 15:54:16 -0700 Organization: UCLA Computer Science Department Message-ID: <5589E398.3030600@cs.ucla.edu> References: <20150615142237.GA3517@acm.fritz.box> <87y4jkhqh5.fsf@uwakimon.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp> <557F3C22.4060909@cs.ucla.edu> <5580D356.4050708@cs.ucla.edu> <87si9qonxb.fsf@gnu.org> <55826DCC.9040404@cs.ucla.edu> <55850208.3080605@cs.ucla.edu> <5585C279.3030607@cs.ucla.edu> <55871590.8010406@cs.ucla.edu> <55898885.8010603@cs.ucla.edu> <85h9pyxqbz.fsf@iznogoud.viz> NNTP-Posting-Host: plane.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1435100089 5363 80.91.229.3 (23 Jun 2015 22:54:49 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 23 Jun 2015 22:54:49 +0000 (UTC) To: emacs-devel@gnu.org Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Wed Jun 24 00:54:41 2015 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by plane.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1Z7X5R-0003U6-Te for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Wed, 24 Jun 2015 00:54:38 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:47763 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Z7X5R-0001YX-8i for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Tue, 23 Jun 2015 18:54:37 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:59209) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Z7X5D-0001YF-TG for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 23 Jun 2015 18:54:24 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Z7X58-0007Bc-Ft for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 23 Jun 2015 18:54:23 -0400 Original-Received: from zimbra.cs.ucla.edu ([131.179.128.68]:35356) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Z7X58-0007BX-A1 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 23 Jun 2015 18:54:18 -0400 Original-Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zimbra.cs.ucla.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 64743160821 for ; Tue, 23 Jun 2015 15:54:17 -0700 (PDT) Original-Received: from zimbra.cs.ucla.edu ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (zimbra.cs.ucla.edu [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10032) with ESMTP id 5R7R5sCCC9p9 for ; Tue, 23 Jun 2015 15:54:16 -0700 (PDT) Original-Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zimbra.cs.ucla.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id C3F7D160835 for ; Tue, 23 Jun 2015 15:54:16 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at zimbra.cs.ucla.edu Original-Received: from zimbra.cs.ucla.edu ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (zimbra.cs.ucla.edu [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10026) with ESMTP id hAJvQbHj4WqN for ; Tue, 23 Jun 2015 15:54:16 -0700 (PDT) Original-Received: from [192.168.1.9] (pool-100-32-155-148.lsanca.fios.verizon.net [100.32.155.148]) by zimbra.cs.ucla.edu (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id A9958160821 for ; Tue, 23 Jun 2015 15:54:16 -0700 (PDT) User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:31.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/31.7.0 In-Reply-To: <85h9pyxqbz.fsf@iznogoud.viz> X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 3.x X-Received-From: 131.179.128.68 X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:187459 Archived-At: Wolfgang Jenkner wrote: > How do you explain to your students why they are needed (the quotes, not > the students)? The quotes themselves are fairly basic, but the details of what they're all used for are relatively advanced, and I wouldn't expect lower-division students to know all that.