From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Paul Eggert Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Upcoming loss of usability of Emacs source files and Emacs. Date: Tue, 23 Jun 2015 15:47:51 -0700 Organization: UCLA Computer Science Department Message-ID: <5589E217.80609@cs.ucla.edu> References: <5580D356.4050708@cs.ucla.edu> <87si9qonxb.fsf@gnu.org> <5581C29E.1030101@yandex.ru> <87r3p9fxm2.fsf@uwakimon.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp> <87k2v0fiji.fsf@uwakimon.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp> <20150619090225.GA2743@acm.fritz.box> <558436F3.8040307@cs.ucla.edu> <20150623222216.GC12232@acm.fritz.box> NNTP-Posting-Host: plane.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1435099695 31961 80.91.229.3 (23 Jun 2015 22:48:15 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 23 Jun 2015 22:48:15 +0000 (UTC) Cc: "Stephen J. Turnbull" , rms@gnu.org, emacs-devel@gnu.org To: Alan Mackenzie , g@acm.muc.de Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Wed Jun 24 00:48:05 2015 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by plane.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1Z7Wz5-00086P-Mh for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Wed, 24 Jun 2015 00:48:03 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:47742 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Z7Wz4-0007DL-Mj for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Tue, 23 Jun 2015 18:48:02 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:57183) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Z7Wz1-0007D4-Ew for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 23 Jun 2015 18:48:00 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Z7Wyw-0004ku-Ay for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 23 Jun 2015 18:47:59 -0400 Original-Received: from zimbra.cs.ucla.edu ([131.179.128.68]:35146) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Z7Wyw-0004kk-4y; Tue, 23 Jun 2015 18:47:54 -0400 Original-Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zimbra.cs.ucla.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id B73E0160193; Tue, 23 Jun 2015 15:47:52 -0700 (PDT) Original-Received: from zimbra.cs.ucla.edu ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (zimbra.cs.ucla.edu [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10032) with ESMTP id RF7uZ51cLZUS; Tue, 23 Jun 2015 15:47:52 -0700 (PDT) Original-Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zimbra.cs.ucla.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0B2FF160835; Tue, 23 Jun 2015 15:47:52 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at zimbra.cs.ucla.edu Original-Received: from zimbra.cs.ucla.edu ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (zimbra.cs.ucla.edu [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10026) with ESMTP id B2OO1J6fFjSa; Tue, 23 Jun 2015 15:47:51 -0700 (PDT) Original-Received: from [192.168.1.9] (pool-100-32-155-148.lsanca.fios.verizon.net [100.32.155.148]) by zimbra.cs.ucla.edu (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id D7C67160193; Tue, 23 Jun 2015 15:47:51 -0700 (PDT) User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:31.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/31.7.0 In-Reply-To: <20150623222216.GC12232@acm.fritz.box> X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 3.x X-Received-From: 131.179.128.68 X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:187457 Archived-At: Alan Mackenzie wrote: > You could have had a subject like "Supersede ASCII quoting convention in > doc strings" That would have been misleading, as the patch did not supersede ASCII quoting. ASCII quoting still works, and is still supported. >> In contrast, you installed commit 52c3946c872c8bd96508f74cdda5cbb90c664306, an >> equally large change to user behavior, .... > > Not really. I simply made the new behaviour optional No, your patch changed the default behavior for *Help* buffers. The new default negatively affected the UI, in that it made *Help* buffers sometimes quote one way, sometimes another, inconsistently. And more often than not the help buffers quoted with grave accent, which is the style we're changing the default away from. All this was considerably more than just implementing an option. > I haven't a clue what "help buffers that use modern styles" means. I meant help buffers that quote with curved single quotes rather than with grave accent and apostrophe. > the difference between curly and > ASCII quotes must be quite small in this respect This thread is about a relatively minor change overall, yes. Molehills and mountains do come to mind.